Air Force Grounds M18 Pistols After Fatal Discharge at F.E. Warren Air Force Base

[jemhouston]

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I've been thinking about buying a Sig 320, I think I'll wait.


The New TikTok Challenge That's Going to Get Someone Killed

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[Straker]

I think the interesting thing might be what the Australians and other militaries (if any, I can't think of anyone else apart from small purchases for special forces) who have adopted P320 variants do.

A few anecdotal reports of police departments dumping P320s onto the second hand market in order to afford replacements following the FBI report about the MSP pistol that allegedly went off untouched in its holster.

[Nightwatch2]

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I've been thinking about buying a Sig 320, I think I'll wait.

I thought about it too but the reports have been too numerous for comfort.

I think I’ll stick with my Beretta

[Rocket J Squrriel]

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I've been thinking about buying a Sig 320, I think I'll wait.

I thought about it too but the reports have been too numerous for comfort.

I think I’ll stick with my Beretta

You're not a SEAL until you've eaten Italian steel.

[gtg947h]

I had a P320 for a bit. Shot great and I really liked it.

Then the videos came out of them discharging when dropped on the back of the slide. I was less than pleased given it was my carry gun at the time, and the way Sig handled it and "fixed" the problem turned me off to the design and the company. Wife bought me a Glock 19 the next weekend and I traded the P320 for a Glock 17.

[jemhouston]

Things got worse for Sig

Gunsite Academy Bans The SIG P320 From Its Courses

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gunsi ... s-courses/

[Nik_SpeakerToCats]

IIRC, there was a revolver, dual action, with a similar vice.

There was a 'thriller' episode --'The New Avengers' ??--where hero, told to 'drop the gun' did so, the jolt firing it upon the villain who, dismayed, was soon over-come...

"Don't Try This At Home, Folks !!!"

[Nathan45]

[Micael]

The modding community for the Arma 3 computer game is on the ball…

[James1978]

The plot thickens . . .

Air Force makes arrest in airman’s shooting death involving M18 pistol
By Stephen Losey
August 8, 2025

The Air Force has arrested an airman in connection with the July 20 death of another airman, which involved a Sig Sauer M18 and led the service to suspend the use of the pistol following the incident.

In a Friday statement, a Department of the Air Force spokesperson said that the unidentified arrested person is accused of making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter.

Air Force Global Strike Command pulled the M18 from use after Brayden Lovan, a 21-year-old remote targeting engagement system operator in the 90th Security Forces Group at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming, was fatally shot with that pistol.

The service’s Office of Special Investigations is still investigating Lovan’s death.

“As with all individuals accused of a crime, the person arrested in this case is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,” the spokesperson said.

No further details about the circumstances surrounding Lovan’s death or the arrest were available.

The M18, along with the M17, is a derivative of Sig Sauer’s P320 that the Air Force and Army have used. However, the P320 pistol has faced allegations that it is prone to going off accidentally without the trigger being pulled. Sig Sauer has strongly denied those allegations and said its pistols do not discharge unless the trigger is pulled.

Per another article: "The suspect’s charges indicate investigators believe Lovan’s death was likely the result of a negligent discharge in which the gun’s trigger was accidentally pulled and the gun fired."

[jemhouston]

Things are getting strange

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Airman in M18 Case Found Dead Amid Multiple Tragedies at Base
Luke Cuenco -
October 28, 2025
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Airman 1st Class Marcus White-Allen, assigned to F.E. Warren Air Force Base’s 90th Missile Wing, was discovered dead on October 8th. White-Allen had been under investigation for the fatal July shooting of Airman Brayden Lovan, making his death the fourth involving base personnel since July and the second that can be directly linked to the original incident.​

The sequence of deaths was initially set in motion on July 20, when Lovan was killed in a suspected on-duty incident involving the Sig Sauer M18 pistol. As most of you know already, this triggered a sweeping pause on the pistol’s use not just at F.E. Warren but across all Air Force Global Strike Command units, likely due to the increasing controversy and lawsuits centered around the P320 and by extension the M17/18 handgun platform.

Responding to the accident and ongoing crisis, Gen. Thomas Bussiere, Commander of Air Force Global Strike Command, said in an official press release, “Out of an abundance of caution and to ensure the safety and security of our personnel, the pause will remain in place pending the completion of comprehensive investigations…” Security Forces temporarily transitioned to the M4 rifle, while all service M18s underwent inspection and were eventually returned to service.

Despite the Air Force returning the handguns to service, the controversy surrounding the M18 or the P320 platform has not diminished and remains ongoing to this day.
General Thomas A. Bussiere – Photo – Facebook
A String of Base Tragedies

In addition to the tragic shooting death of Airman Brayden Lovan and the subsequent death of Airman Marcus White-Allen, the base has seen two more fatal incidents involving assigned airmen. On August 16, Senior Airman Joshua Aragon was killed at an off-base apartment in Cheyenne, Wyoming, when Airman 1st Class Jadan Orr allegedly fired an AK-47 rifle through a wall, fatally striking Aragon. Orr was charged with involuntary manslaughter and pleaded not guilty, with the case ongoing.​

Later, on September 30, Airman 1st Class Marcus Evan Jackson died in what local authorities ruled as a murder-suicide in Fort Collins, Colorado. The Larimer County Coroner’s Office officially ruled the incident a murder-suicide stemming from domestic violence. Jackson, 20, died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds, while the victim, 18-year-old Alyssa Paige Reardon, succumbed to a gunshot wound the following day.

[warshipadmin]

On one particularly enjoyable cadet holiday (sorry, CCF camp) we went to the range with a bucket of different prehistoric firearms. I got my rotator cuff ripped up by some pistol (I'd only ever shot rifles and shotties before), and then got a Sten. The instructor said, don't drop it, it'll go off, safety or no. Oh well that's back when 16yo could have fun. The nicest gun was a Martini action 0.22. What a sweetie. Stick a silencer and telescopics on it and it'll be rabbit for dinner every night. Hmm, bit monotonous. Hot tip if you are surviving on rabbit, chop the hind legs off, throw the rest away, stripping the rest is not worth the candle. Also apparently you'll go mad from lack of fat.

[jemhouston]

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Sometimes I wish Felony stupid was a real thing.

Stupid, STUPID Kids and Such Needless Tragedy Twice Over
Mead Gruver from Associated Press 5:00 PM | November 02, 2025

Two airmen at a Wyoming U.S. Air Force base have pleaded guilty to making false statements about the deadly shooting of a third that prompted the suspension of Sig Sauer M18 pistol use at nuclear weapons sites for a month, the Air Force said in a statement Friday.

The gun pause by the Air Force Global Strike Command after the death of Brayden Lovan, 21, in late July was lifted in late August after Air Force officials determined the M18 was safe to carry.

Lovan was an airman with the 90th Security Forces Squadron, 90th Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base outside Cheyenne.

Details about his death were released for the first time Friday, including that the alleged shooter, Marcus White-Allen, had pointed the gun at Lovan’s chest in a “joking manner.” White-Allen after the shooting allegedly urged the other two surviving airmen to lie about what happened, according to the statement.

[Nightwatch2]

https://hotair.com/headlines/2025/11/02 ... r-n3808469

Sometimes I wish Felony stupid was a real thing.

Stupid, STUPID Kids and Such Needless Tragedy Twice Over
Mead Gruver from Associated Press 5:00 PM | November 02, 2025

Two airmen at a Wyoming U.S. Air Force base have pleaded guilty to making false statements about the deadly shooting of a third that prompted the suspension of Sig Sauer M18 pistol use at nuclear weapons sites for a month, the Air Force said in a statement Friday.

The gun pause by the Air Force Global Strike Command after the death of Brayden Lovan, 21, in late July was lifted in late August after Air Force officials determined the M18 was safe to carry.

Lovan was an airman with the 90th Security Forces Squadron, 90th Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base outside Cheyenne.

Details about his death were released for the first time Friday, including that the alleged shooter, Marcus White-Allen, had pointed the gun at Lovan’s chest in a “joking manner.” White-Allen after the shooting allegedly urged the other two surviving airmen to lie about what happened, according to the statement.

Tragically stupid.

Reminds me of a similar incident back in the day when a couple of the Marine Sentries at NAS Miramar were practicing their quick draw

against each other

One of them “won”

[Poohbah]

As far as I'm concerned, those two are accessories after the fact to murder, and should hang.

No, that is not a euphemism or hyperbole. I am being literal.

[Johnnie Lyle]

As far as I'm concerned, those two are accessories after the fact to murder, and should hang.

No, that is not a euphemism or hyperbole. I am being literal.

These morons are responsible for the security of nuclear weapons and we have two instances of airmen on base playing stupid games with guns that have got people killed, and God only knows how many were not fatal because the Lord protected fools and idiots.

The blame is a little higher up the chain of command than these two shit for brains. A whole bunch of corporals, sergeants, lieutenants and captains have a lot of explaining to do, and that is where the wrath really must fall: On the people responsible for appropriately training and disciplining the stupid out of stupid kids so they become responsible adults.

[MikeKozlowski]

As far as I'm concerned, those two are accessories after the fact to murder, and should hang.

No, that is not a euphemism or hyperbole. I am being literal.

These morons are responsible for the security of nuclear weapons and we have two instances of airmen on base playing stupid games with guns that have got people killed, and God only knows how many were not fatal because the Lord protected fools and idiots.

The blame is a little higher up the chain of command than these two shit for brains. A whole bunch of corporals, sergeants, lieutenants and captains have a lot of explaining to do, and that is where the wrath really must fall: On the people responsible for appropriately training and disciplining the stupid out of stupid kids so they become responsible adults.

This is both heartbreaking and infuriating. Ammo routinely needled the SPs - hell, EVERYBODY needled the SP's; a running joke was that the dogs at the gate were there to tell the SP's who was good to get in, and don't get me started on the daily head-bangings we had in the WSA - but there was always absolute faith that these guys were well-trained and solid and they'd get between us and anybody else.

With that in mind, close-to-teenage men with access to weapons have, can, and will do remarkably stupid shit. There will always be the urge to commit said shit, but sufficient and proper training will overcome that to a remarkable degree. But something gives me the feeling that this kid never should have been there in the first place, and I know full well it wasn't the first time he did this.

And that's where the infuriating part starts. If I was to show up at F.E. Warren tomorrow, lock down the SPS and start asking questions, I figure it would take until lunchtime to find a clear, distinct pattern of this kid's behavior...and a long list of people who knew/overlooked it. And at that point, people need to to be relieved and sent home. Permanently.

On a couple of occasions, my alligator mouth outran my mouse brain, I said things that I thought were witty and sarcastic that came out sounding like I was going to do something stupid, and I found myself having a friendly chat with my NCOs. I felt utter and complete embarrassment (not that it ever completely stopped me) - but my coworkers and NCOs were doing their job. The airmen and NCOs around this kid failed him.

Mike

[Poohbah]

As far as I'm concerned, those two are accessories after the fact to murder, and should hang.

No, that is not a euphemism or hyperbole. I am being literal.

These morons are responsible for the security of nuclear weapons and we have two instances of airmen on base playing stupid games with guns that have got people killed, and God only knows how many were not fatal because the Lord protected fools and idiots.

The blame is a little higher up the chain of command than these two shit for brains. A whole bunch of corporals, sergeants, lieutenants and captains have a lot of explaining to do, and that is where the wrath really must fall: On the people responsible for appropriately training and disciplining the stupid out of stupid kids so they become responsible adults.

Fair enough. A lot of people need to hang. We need to return to Ye Days of Olde and put on every commission and warrant, "Fail not in this charge at thine own peril."