Canadian Armed Forces

[Eaglenine2]

The Canadian battalion was in ACE Mobile Force (L) North option?

[Louie]

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Canadian European Theatre Base

[Louie]

I was thinking, if this ever came to fruition (CETB), would not the best deployment for Canada be back in NORTHAG, perhaps to cover the Belgian sector?

[Jotun]

I was thinking, if this ever came to fruition (CETB), would not the best deployment for Canada be back in NORTHAG, perhaps to cover the Belgian sector?

Especially since there is now a French-led SOUTHAG and the Belgians' sector was a bit iffy in terms of fighting strength with only two divisions immediately available.

[Eaglenine2]

Question why is Canadian European Theatre Base in United Kingdom? Store equipment for 1st Canadian and the Norway Battalion Group?

[Jotun]

Question why is Canadian European Theatre Base in United Kingdom? Store equipment for 1st Canadian and the Norway Battalion Group?

Good one. Shoudn't they have their equivalent of POMCUS sites somewhere near or behind the French border?

[Eaglenine2]

The Norway Battalion Group have their kit already in Norway?

[Louie]

I will post the page regarding U.S. formations…
II MEF would stage through the UK coming in via Liverpool (port) and Manchester (airfield).
UK was also set to stage 9 IND but by 1989 they were informed that the 9th would go direct to a BALTAP. The PA ARNG’s 28IND was due to stage thru the UK but the U.S. wasn’t giving the MOD definite plans so the Brits were preparing for a generic U.S. Inf Div.

I have so far found nothing other than what I posted in regards to Canada or why they wanted a site in the UK. I do not know if it was lack of facilities in the FRG or there was some thought of moving 4 CMBG/1 CANDIV to NORTHAG which would make more sense having the CETB in the UK.

[Louie]

[Eaglenine2]

Question how are infantry and armored formation organized like their Cold War counterparts with modern kit? A Armored Regiment has three squadrons along with a recce squadron for brigade level recon along with a recce troop?

[Bernard Woolley]

A-C Squadron have the Leo2s, while D Squadron has the Coyote. Except for the regiment assigned to the SSF, which has two squadrons of tanks and two of Coyotes. As per my answer to the last time you asked earlier in the thread.

[James1978]

A-C Squadron have the Leo2s, while D Squadron has the Coyote. Except for the regiment assigned to the SSF, which has two squadrons of tanks and two of Coyotes. As per my answer to the last time you asked earlier in the thread.

Follow-up. So 1st Fort Garry Horse would have four squadrons of Coyotes?
Which means in peacetime, 1st Canadian Division / 4th CMB in Germany has 5 Coyote squadrons and two tank squadrons?

Related question. Should The Fort Garry Horse (Militia) be the The 2nd Fort Garry Horse?

[Bernard Woolley]

Follow-up. So 1st Fort Garry Horse would have four squadrons of Coyotes?
Which means in peacetime, 1st Canadian Division / 4th CMB in Germany has 5 Coyote squadrons and two tank squadrons?

Yes, it would. It does mean that in peacetime that 4 CMB is a little short on heavy armour. However, C Squadron was capable of joining its parent regiment fairly quickly (as indeed it did!).

Related question. Should The Fort Garry Horse (Militia) be the The 2nd Fort Garry Horse?

Now this is an interesting area. When the regular part of the Fort Garry Horse was re-raised in 1958, it was the 1st Fort Garry Horse with the Militia regiment becoming The 2nd Fort Garry Horse. In 1960 the regular regiment dropped the "1st" and the Primary Reserve became the The Fort Garry Horse (Militia). From 1970, the regular regiment was reduced to nill strength and the Primary reserve dropped the "(Militia)". In TLW when the regular regiment was re-raised as a divisional recce regiment it was as The 1st Fort Garry Horse with the PR regiment remaining unchanged in title (for the moment at least! ). Military nomenclature doesn't always make sense.

[Louie]

The plan before Wall Fall was for The Fort Garry Horse to come back into the Regular Force as the Armd Recce Regt for 1st Can Div (equipped with Leo 1s and what would become Coyote). The title was picked because its title did not indicate any specific area or Province, there would still be a Fort Garry Horse (Militia) unit.

[James1978]

Question. Did Canada stock a POMCUS equivalent for 1st and/or 5th Brigades in Europe, or did those brigades have to ship all their heavy equipment by sea from Canada to Europe? And if they did stock a POMCUS equivalent, how well was it stocked - i.e. about how many battalion sets?

[Louie]

IRL I believe Canada only stocked equipment for an additional Armd Sqn, 2xMech Coys and an Arty Bty. If anything else was to be stocked I don’t believe it would have been done until the early 90’s. Canada didn’t have enough Leo 1’s for two full Armd Regts, if the 200 to 250 tanks they were looking at replacing Leo 1 with, which would have let them have a full Armd Regts in 1 & 5 Bde then I imagine they would have had to begin their own POMCUS in some form.

[James1978]

IRL I believe Canada only stocked equipment for an additional Armd Sqn, 2xMech Coys and an Arty Bty. If anything else was to be stocked I don’t believe it would have been done until the early 90’s. Canada didn’t have enough Leo 1’s for two full Armd Regts, if the 200 to 250 tanks they were looking at replacing Leo 1 with, which would have let them have a full Armd Regts in 1 & 5 Bde then I imagine they would have had to begin their own POMCUS in some form.

I should have been more clear - I'm speaking about post-POD TLWverse.

I worked the tank numbers, and Canada bought between 270-300 Leopard 2s in TLWverse.

What I'm wondering is if they may have bought more than that and stored them in W. Germany to try to get 1st or 5th Brigade deployed faster in a crisis. Ditto for other equipment. I lean toward "no", but I'm curious.