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Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 4:21 am Why the facepalm?
I have concerns about so much being placed in one basket, though of course with only three major tactical airframe OEMs left in defense it's not like you have a lot of options :roll: . Boeing's track record as of late has me concerned too--see KC-46, T-7, and MQ-25--whereas N-G seems to be executing well on the B-21 program . But like the rest of us I'm only privy to what's in the public domain.

Interestingly, speculation says the two aircraft are likely highly related (in the F-4 style "USAF buys a USN airframe" sense). More eggs in the basket, but at least (maybe?) less work to put them there.


My almost-a-year working at such a company does not instill confidence either; it makes me want to ensure the primary award criteria are "lowest ratio of project engineering and program management to design and test engineering" and "smallest fraction of design engineering time spent on non-technical administrative work".
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gtg947h wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 10:57 am
Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2026 4:21 am Why the facepalm?
I have concerns about so much being placed in one basket, though of course with only three major tactical airframe OEMs left in defense it's not like you have a lot of options :roll: . Boeing's track record as of late has me concerned too--see KC-46, T-7, and MQ-25--whereas N-G seems to be executing well on the B-21 program . But like the rest of us I'm only privy to what's in the public domain.

Interestingly, speculation says the two aircraft are likely highly related (in the F-4 style "USAF buys a USN airframe" sense). More eggs in the basket, but at least (maybe?) less work to put them there.


My almost-a-year working at such a company does not instill confidence either; it makes me want to ensure the primary award criteria are "lowest ratio of project engineering and program management to design and test engineering" and "smallest fraction of design engineering time spent on non-technical administrative work".
Thanks

Understand. The track record lately has been concerning
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Posted on the Secret Projects website

Its a fairly long article so will only post the summary.

Apparently work has stopped, at the Fincantieri/Marinette-Marine shipyard, on the two Constellation class frigates.

Fincantieri/M-M has sent an offer to the USN to build FREMM EVOs, at the shipyard.

https://www.twz.com/sea/shipbuilder-beh ... igate-game


This would eliminate the need to build the first couple overseas, while acquiring a domestic shipyard to supply a 'mature' design as quickly as possible.
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How hard would it be to keep NAVSEA away from it?
Westray: That this is some sort of coincidence. Because they don't really believe in coincidences. They've heard of them. They've just never seen one.
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Rocket J Squrriel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:46 am How hard would it be to keep NAVSEA away from it?
If only

I don’t think we could produce a rowboat without NAVSEA screwing it up
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Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 4:22 pm
Rocket J Squrriel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:46 am How hard would it be to keep NAVSEA away from it?
If only

I don’t think we could produce a rowboat without NAVSEA screwing it up
Without going full Poohbah, what would it take to unscrew NAVSEA?

Or is full Poohbah needed?
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jemhouston wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 5:09 pm
Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 4:22 pm
Rocket J Squrriel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 1:46 am How hard would it be to keep NAVSEA away from it?
If only

I don’t think we could produce a rowboat without NAVSEA screwing it up
Without going full Poohbah, what would it take to unscrew NAVSEA?

Or is full Poohbah needed?
Full Poohbah is insufficient to patch over NAVSEA. It's well past time to go Full Rickover.
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kdahm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 6:08 pm
jemhouston wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 5:09 pm
Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2026 4:22 pm

If only

I don’t think we could produce a rowboat without NAVSEA screwing it up
Without going full Poohbah, what would it take to unscrew NAVSEA?

Or is full Poohbah needed?
Full Poohbah is insufficient to patch over NAVSEA. It's well past time to go Full Rickover.
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NAVSEA is located at the Navy Yard, so we won't take out any other needed offices in the Pentagon.
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https://interestingengineering.com/mili ... e-shipyard

Trump announces largest US submarine shipyard since WWII, spanning 2M square feet

Anduril’s Arsenal-2 will build Virginia-class submarine components and large assemblies from 2030.
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday announced a $6.6 billion U.S. submarine manufacturing push centered on a new 2-million-square-foot shipyard in Maryland that will produce components and large assemblies for Virginia-class nuclear attack submarines.

Defense technology company Anduril Industries will invest $3.7 billion of private capital in the Arsenal-2 shipyard at Sparrows Point near Baltimore. Separately, the U.S. Navy has awarded Anduril a contract worth up to $2.9 billion, with payments tied to production results.

Trump, speaking at the site Tuesday, called Arsenal-2 the largest new U.S. shipyard since World War II. He said the facility would support production of next-generation submarines, including autonomous submarines, as well as torpedo tubes and components for Virginia-class attack submarines.

The project is expected to create 3,100 direct jobs and support more than 11,000 additional jobs. Initial operations are scheduled to begin in 2030, with production increasing afterward, according to Anduril.


Software runs shipyard production

Arsenal-2 will cover more than 2 million square feet, roughly the area of 40 football fields, across a 187-acre site. It will include high-bay assembly halls, fabrication areas, reconfigurable production lines, and an existing 1,200-foot graving dock for handling large maritime structures.

Anduril said the facility will manufacture complex components and large assemblies for Virginia-class submarines before sending them to General Dynamics Electric Boat and Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding for final assembly.


The additional production source is intended to allow more submarine work to take place simultaneously rather than concentrating manufacturing at the Navy’s existing submarine builders.

Anduril plans to manage the facility through ArsenalOS, its industrial software platform. The system will connect fabrication, material movement, assembly, inspections, and documentation while providing workers and managers with real-time information about production.

Digital work instructions, sensors, embedded quality controls and automation will also support welders, electricians, pipefitters, inspectors and other workers, according to the company.


California plant starts earlier

Before the Maryland shipyard opens, Anduril plans to begin manufacturing Virginia-class components at a new 160,000-square-foot facility in Orange County, California.

The California plant will give the company about a two-year head start to test manufacturing methods, train workers, and establish production and quality-control systems. It will make test hardware and maritime components, including torpedo tubes.

Anduril said the lessons from that facility will then be transferred to Arsenal-2 as the Maryland operation scales.

Virginia-class submarines are nuclear-powered attack submarines used for missions including anti-submarine warfare, surveillance, and land strikes. They can travel at speeds exceeding 25 knots.

The new capacity comes as the Navy seeks to increase submarine production while also meeting U.S. commitments under the AUKUS security partnership. Anduril said closing the gap between current production and Navy requirements will require additional suppliers, infrastructure and manufacturing capacity.

Arsenal-2 will be built at Sparrows Point, once home to a major steelmaking and shipbuilding complex. Maryland officials said the project is expected to generate more than $2 billion in annual economic output, including about $312 million in wages each year.
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