Recovering a Stuart Post.

[Beastro]

I remember him mentioning a few years before he passed away a bit about Soviet aircraft guns and how they weren't built to last because Soviet pilots weren't expected to live long enough for their guns to get worn out. The mentality was in the are instances where their life was up, they'd be straight up replaced rather than rebuilt.

Iirc, he even said firearms like the Makarov were built with this in mind as well.

Did that post ever survive in some form or is it now lost?

[Craiglxviii]

I remember him mentioning a few years before he passed away a bit about Soviet aircraft guns and how they weren't built to last because Soviet pilots weren't expected to live long enough for their guns to get worn out. The mentality was in the are instances where their life was up, they'd be straight up replaced rather than rebuilt.

Iirc, he even said firearms like the Makarov were built with this in mind as well.

Did that post ever survive in some form or is it now lost?

If it exists it will be somewhere in the Internet Archive.

www.tboverse.org is the URL to search.

[Beastro]

I remember him mentioning a few years before he passed away a bit about Soviet aircraft guns and how they weren't built to last because Soviet pilots weren't expected to live long enough for their guns to get worn out. The mentality was in the are instances where their life was up, they'd be straight up replaced rather than rebuilt.

Iirc, he even said firearms like the Makarov were built with this in mind as well.

Did that post ever survive in some form or is it now lost?

If it exists it will be somewhere in the Internet Archive.

www.tboverse.org is the URL to search.

Looks like the forum wasn't archived, thay is unless the url it was saved under is different from the one that the front page directs you to.

[Craiglxviii]

I remember him mentioning a few years before he passed away a bit about Soviet aircraft guns and how they weren't built to last because Soviet pilots weren't expected to live long enough for their guns to get worn out. The mentality was in the are instances where their life was up, they'd be straight up replaced rather than rebuilt.

Iirc, he even said firearms like the Makarov were built with this in mind as well.

Did that post ever survive in some form or is it now lost?

If it exists it will be somewhere in the Internet Archive.

www.tboverse.org is the URL to search.

Looks like the forum wasn't archived, thay is unless the url it was saved under is different from the one that the front page directs you to.

Huh. That’s strange, it most certainly was previously!

[James1978]

Try tboverse.us using the Wayback Machine. The earlier you go back, the more likely at least the first page of the thread was saved.

I think tboverse.org was the iteration previous to the current board. I don't think any of that board ever made it onto the Wayback Machine. If memory serves, the guy who had system access to that iteration basically held it hostage for personal reasons.

[Belushi TD]

There are some portions of that board that made it onto the archive. However, the cold, hard truth is that our little corner of the internet was not significant enough for the waybackmachine to archice all the little bits.

Belushi TD

[MKSheppard]

I remember him mentioning a few years before he passed away a bit about Soviet aircraft guns and how they weren't built to last because Soviet pilots weren't expected to live long enough for their guns to get worn out. The mentality was in the are instances where their life was up, they'd be straight up replaced rather than rebuilt.

Iirc, he even said firearms like the Makarov were built with this in mind as well.

Did that post ever survive in some form or is it now lost?

This is somewhat well known -- Soviet aircraft cannon got their insane efficiency in kg of shot fired per second vs kg of installed weight by having short barrel lives.

Pre-War, the British specified 20,000 rds for RCMGs, and 10,000 rds for 20mm Hispanos; Air Ministry studies done during WW2 noticed that at best, the plane crashed or was written off long before it cracked the 1,000 round lifetime limit; and the Air Ministry suggested that a 1500 rd lifetime limit might be OK for future designs.

A.G. Williams gave the following info on another board:

The NS-23 (right at the end of WW2) lasted for 4,000 rounds free, or 3,000 synchronised (more little pieces to go wrong)
The AM-23 (1950s) managed 6,000 rounds
The NR-30 (1950s) 2,000 rounds initially, later 3,000 rounds
The R-23 (1960s) 3,000 rounds
The GSh-23 (1960s) 4,000 rounds (after modification to enhance life)
The GSh-30 (1970s) 4,000 rounds
The GSh-301 (current gun in Su-27 and MiG-29 families): 2,000 rounds (1,000 rounds for the barrel).

For comparison, the US M61A1: gun life 90,000 rounds, barrels 15,000, certain other parts 30,000.