'Civil War'....

[MikeKozlowski]

...Holy shit.



Mike

[kdahm]

Could be good, could be bad. Depends on the politics of the writer and director, Alex Garland.

[jemhouston]

IMDB page https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17279496/? ... unrel_3_wr

[Kunkmiester]

How useful would a sniper nest in the statue of Liberty be anyway?

[Drunknsubmrnr]

How useful would a sniper nest in the statue of Liberty be anyway?

The homicidal maniacs running those tourist cruise boats would become VERY polite.

[MikeKozlowski]

How useful would a sniper nest in the statue of Liberty be anyway?

The homicidal maniacs running those tourist cruise boats would become VERY polite.

...Mouthful of coffee, dammit....

Mike

[Johnnie Lyle]

How useful would a sniper nest in the statue of Liberty be anyway?

Do I have a Sherman 105 on the Staten Island Ferry?

[Jotun]

Oy vey. That one has the potential to become extremely divisive.

[Johnnie Lyle]

Oy vey. That one has the potential to become extremely divisive.

Or just flat out bad.

[Jotun]

Oy vey. That one has the potential to become extremely divisive.

Or just flat out bad.

Or both.

[Johnnie Lyle]

Oy vey. That one has the potential to become extremely divisive.

Or just flat out bad.

Or both.

Possibly, but lots of people would have to see it for it to be divisive. If it’s sufficiently bad, you won’t get that critical mass of viewers to achieve more division - especially if it hews to the usual overt political views of many Hollywood political movies. They tend to do badly at the box office and not cross over many eyes. They may add to pre-existing views, but not push the needle much.

It’s just exactly what people expect from it and decide to put their money elsewhere.

[Nik_SpeakerToCats]

I thought the arm / torch flexed / swayed ??

[Belushi TD]

I thought the arm / torch flexed / swayed ??

Only in high winds... And its not a good thing if it does.

Belushi TD

[jemhouston]

The trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOPVMGlRWc

It leaves out why it starts.

[Lordroel]

Not going to post everything I found so far here, but i have a thread on my forum with some more information:

https://alternate-timelines.com/thread/ ... lTo=193311

[kdahm]

What a mess of a plot. If the Western Alliance of Texas and California has reached Washington D.C., it's all over. Seriously, it's something like just over 1000 miles from Texarkana to D.C. as a crow flies. Getting any forces from California across 3000+ miles, while still having a logistics train to supply them, is like Napoleon marching to invade Vladivostok and ignoring Moscow. Of course, there's an amphibious invasion, right into the teeth of some of the most populated and defended portions of the US.....

It's like the writer didn't think that there was anything between Nevada and West Virginia, except maybe some mystical place of rednecks in middle called Texas.

[MikeKozlowski]

What a mess of a plot. If the Western Alliance of Texas and California has reached Washington D.C., it's all over. Seriously, it's something like just over 1000 miles from Texarkana to D.C. as a crow flies. Getting any forces from California across 3000+ miles, while still having a logistics train to supply them, is like Napoleon marching to invade Vladivostok and ignoring Moscow. Of course, there's an amphibious invasion, right into the teeth of some of the most populated and defended portions of the US.....

It's like the writer didn't think that there was anything between Nevada and West Virginia, except maybe some mystical place of rednecks in middle called Texas.

...Yeah, I kinda tuned out when I heard 'CA-TX alliance."

Mike

[MikeKozlowski]

...And Larry Correia weighs in:

Larry Correia
@monsterhunter45
Okay, this tiny screen cap from that new civil war movie is enough to confirm that the filmmakers have got no fucking clue what they're talking about and I'm pretty doubtful they've ever been to any of flyover America, at all.

I'm saying this as a professional speculative fiction writer/editor AND one of those knuckle dragging wild red state gun nuts who is surely on several government To Do lists in case of Civil War 2.0.

So, if I was getting paid to write this story-
A. All those nice arbitrary state lines on the map? Horseshit. That's all going out the window day 1. It's gonna be regional and cultural balkanization. Period.

B. The biggest cultural divide in America is assholes who want to meddle in everyone else's business vs. people who want to be left alone. Every other hot button topic we have is related to that. Pick one to be the flash point, but it's all gonna come back to that.

C. The clearest divide between those two groups is rural vs. urban. There are no "blue states" or "red states". There are blue cities who out vote all the red country around them. This is true across most of the country.

D. Some people are saying California and Texas could theoretically team up, because the Ds are trying to turn Texas blue... Yeah, big difference between voting and civil war, because when the apocalypse rolls around regular old Remember the Alamo well-armed Texans would happily shut off all the water and power into Austin, say "lol good luck with that commies" and then shoot anybody who came out. It ain't about counting votes now, it's about counting bullets.

E. See D get repeated in every state to varying degree. There is a LOT of built up anger out there, the likes of which I don't think our elite urban betters even sorta comprehend.

E2. Like I can't accentuate this one enough. The only reason a lot more assholes don't just get shot in America is decent people don't want to serve time.

F. Like look at this dumb shit. Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, being together. Yeah sure. I live here. Makes sense. Us being allied with Portland or Seattle? Lol. The rest of Washington and Oregon DESPISE Portland and Seattle.

G. Even in the super red/blue states, opening day of Civil War Season means law has basically gone out the window, so there's a whole bunch of really useless and annoying people who get put with in these places by the locals, where suddenly, it no longer behooves the local population to do so anymore. So right out the gate it is score settling and blood grudge time. We aren't talking about North v. South now. We are talking Rwandan machete party.

H. Look at Nevada. Have these people ever been to Nevada? Nevada is not a lib state. Nevada is a zillion miles of desert and bitter cowboys with one liberal city that exists to take Californian's money. This is a city which literally should not exist according to the basic laws of nature, and once the water infrastructure is threatened, it's nothing but a source of refugees.

I. California is not a unified state either. I grew up there. The rest of California hates the two coastal cities which rule over them and treat them as serfs. Same with New York State, despising New York City, (and hell, half of New York City hates New York City)

K. Not related to the map, but apparently the heroes of this story are NEWS REPORTERS. Holy shit. Read the room, Hollywood.

I could write the shit out of a Civil War 2.0 screenplay, and unlike my lefty Hollywood counterparts, I can actually write about characters who aren't shallow versions of myself and still make them believable, but I won't hold my breathe about any studios calling me anytime soon.

Mike

[kdahm]

He's got a point. A new civil war would be 3.1 million square miles of Bloody Kansas and Bloody Missouri. Not the Army of Northern Virginia vs Army of the Potomac redux.

[Johnnie Lyle]

He's got a point. A new civil war would be 3.1 million square miles of Bloody Kansas and Bloody Missouri. Not the Army of Northern Virginia vs Army of the Potomac redux.

It would be more lopsided and worse. We have not seen a modern, heavily urbanized and (most importantly) extremely specialized society descend into civil war. Most civil wars see basic survival skills reasonably well distributed on both sides - that would probably not be true for a second American Civil War. Far too many people do not have the skills or direct access to sustainably feed themselves. If the food supply chains to the cities collapse, most urban residents will starve.

Especially if the cities themselves burn along class lines.