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Another thing that I forgot to touch on is that Grusch replied to several questions that he couldn’t give the answer in public but would be happy to do so in a SCIF with the appropriate clearances secured. More than one of the members stated in response to this that they’d requested use of the SCIF but been denied, and sounded pretty irritated over it. Adding that they’re trying to get that reversed so that they can have an additional hearing inside it. This strikes me as a bit odd, why would use of the SCIF have been denied? Perhaps something mundane but…

There were also some members who had gone to the site of a recent incident/observation of UAP activity as it had just occurred and initially been denied all access, after pushing for a bit they got some access but were denied viewing radar tapes and such that existed. This strikes me as odd as well. Perhaps supporting the notion that there’s some black program/project involved. Because if it wasn’t something out of the ordinary on the tapes why wouldn’t you just let the congressmen have a look at it? I noted that Fravor pointed out that while the FLIR tic-tac video had eventually been released, all the radar tapes from the multiple platforms that also tracked it seems to have disappeared.
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Someone went through Grusch' CV...
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While it is interesting as a find, I’m not sure that actually means anything either way. Because if they were going to send someone to congress and testify (lie) under oath as part of a psyops thing it would seem to me that they wouldn’t pick someone that can be identified this easily as having that sort of a background.
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Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:17 pm While it is interesting as a find, I’m not sure that actually means anything either way. Because if they were going to send someone to congress and testify (lie) under oath as part of a psyops thing it would seem to me that they wouldn’t pick someone that can be identified this easily as having that sort of a background.
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Poohbah wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:37 pm
Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:17 pm While it is interesting as a find, I’m not sure that actually means anything either way. Because if they were going to send someone to congress and testify (lie) under oath as part of a psyops thing it would seem to me that they wouldn’t pick someone that can be identified this easily as having that sort of a background.
Whenever an intelligence weenie is telling you something, you must ask WHY he's telling it to you.
Yeah, and it could for instance be that he’s lying for some reason, or has been lied to himself and is passing on false information unwittingly. But this new piece of information you provided doesn’t necessarily point towards a psyop on his part. It’s risky as hell to go before congress and lie under oath, could be consequences down the line since he’s indicated that he’s willing to provide names, locations, and details in a SCIF session, things that are specific enough to be validated or dismissed. So I don’t think he’s intentionally lying (unless he’s gone mentally insane, never know) so that leaves him being set up by someone. But a psyops background should be more likely to make him realize that, if he’s being used as part of a psyops, so to me that tends to be more supportive rather than dismissive of his claims.

But, having said all that, there’s always the possibility that this is one or more of the above scenarios, or something else going on that we haven’t thought about.

One additional thing about Grusch I do find interesting is that the Intellligence community inspector general seems to have vetted his claim and found it substantial enough to support his hearing. And, a former IC inspector general (McCullough) is functioning as Grusch’s attorney. He also seems to be indicating that there’s something of substance here.

The responses by some in congress are also interesting, because while some as Lindsey Graham dismisses the ”non-human” bit so to say, no one seems to be willing to state that the UAPs aren’t some exotic black projects by the US (at least that I have seen). Here’s a brief overview from wiki:
Senator Lindsey Graham found the claims unreasonable, saying, "If we'd really found this stuff, there's no way you could keep it from coming out".[45] Senator Josh Hawley said, "I'm not surprised, necessarily, by these latest allegations, because it sounds pretty close to what they kind of grudgingly admitted to us in the briefing".[10][45] Some senators, though not concerned about Grusch's specific claims, were concerned that Congress might not have been briefed on special access programs.[10] Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who led a Senate hearing on UFOs in April 2023, said she intends to hold a hearing to assess whether "rogue SAP programs" existed "that no one is providing oversight for".[10] Senator Marco Rubio, vice-chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said, "there are people who have come forward to share information with our committee over the last couple of years" with "first-hand knowledge" and that they were "potentially some of the same people perhaps" referred to by Grusch.[46][47]
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Michael, people have lied to Congress all the time. If the current admin likes what you did, no problem. If they don't then you get hammered.
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jemhouston wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:30 pm Michael, people have lied to Congress all the time. If the current admin likes what you did, no problem. If they don't then you get hammered.
Yeah, but this is a bipartisan effort out of congress to get to the bottom of this. I believe that this could make things potentially tricky for them.

My best guess, if part of this is some sort of elaborate lie orchestrated from within some part of the government:

It’s a last ditch attempt to tie the UAP stuff once again together with aliens and all that stuff. Reason for that? The only obvious reason I can see is that the observed UAPs such as the tic-tac are indeed black US projects (not derived from alien tech), and that in order to create such craft some incredible physics/technology breakthroughs have been achieved that the people running this are desperate to try and keep under wraps.

Regardless, it has to be something very important that they’re trying to achieve because I assess this, if it is some lie/psyops/cover up, to be high risk in several ways.

Or it’s actually true, and that’s probably a lot more concerning.
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Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:10 am
Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:16 am Thanks for the summary. Very much appreciated.

I don’t know what to make of it all. It is beyond belief but impossible to explain or ignore.
Agreed. If this is indeed real it is also of extreme importance. It was stressed repeatedly by all three participants that we do not possess any weapons technology that would be able to defend against craft like this if they were hostile.

There is something I would be interested in hearing your opinion on. Fravor explained that the ”tic-tac” had a lenght of approx. 40 feet, that radar systems on the Nimitz, the Princeton and an E-2 along with a Super Hornet were able to detect it, but the legacy Hornets did not see it on their radars. Do you think that that points to a generally low-RCS object or that there’s some other explanation for it, such as something having to do with frequencies? That it’s absorbing certain frequencies more than others?
Kinda sounds like stealth RCS. I know the E-2 with a B band radar could track low RCS targets that higher frequency radars could not.

I don’t know which radars on the CV and CG could track and which could not. Kinda important piece of info that I didn’t see.

That an F-18C couldn’t track but an F-18E could is confusing. I thought those radars, while different, operate in the same frequency band. Perhaps the more advanced signal processing in the AESA radar.

The thing that doesn’t really track is - IF an advanced civilization had come all this way, why wouldn’t they make themselves known?

Maybe they have a Prime Directive?

Or they are the advanced scouting group for the follow on invasion/colonization missions?

While I tend to agree that the statistical probability of other civilizations is not zero, the conditions of our planet are very rare in the galaxy. The distances involved are enormous and daunting absent some really science fiction level propulsion.

If such a spacecraft were able to reach here and wanted to remain undetected, why would they expose themselves to detection by playing tag with our systems?

I think perhaps there is a more terrestrial answer hiding in Black Programs somewhere but that opens up even more questions. Such as what incompetent Black program manager would let the existence of his program be exposed by playing tag with our regular forces?

The world wonders :mrgreen:
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Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:53 pm
Poohbah wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:37 pm
Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:17 pm While it is interesting as a find, I’m not sure that actually means anything either way. Because if they were going to send someone to congress and testify (lie) under oath as part of a psyops thing it would seem to me that they wouldn’t pick someone that can be identified this easily as having that sort of a background.
Whenever an intelligence weenie is telling you something, you must ask WHY he's telling it to you.
Yeah, and it could for instance be that he’s lying for some reason, or has been lied to himself and is passing on false information unwittingly. But this new piece of information you provided doesn’t necessarily point towards a psyop on his part. It’s risky as hell to go before congress and lie under oath, could be consequences down the line since he’s indicated that he’s willing to provide names, locations, and details in a SCIF session, things that are specific enough to be validated or dismissed. So I don’t think he’s intentionally lying (unless he’s gone mentally insane, never know) so that leaves him being set up by someone. But a psyops background should be more likely to make him realize that, if he’s being used as part of a psyops, so to me that tends to be more supportive rather than dismissive of his claims.

But, having said all that, there’s always the possibility that this is one or more of the above scenarios, or something else going on that we haven’t thought about.

One additional thing about Grusch I do find interesting is that the Intellligence community inspector general seems to have vetted his claim and found it substantial enough to support his hearing. And, a former IC inspector general (McCullough) is functioning as Grusch’s attorney. He also seems to be indicating that there’s something of substance here.

The responses by some in congress are also interesting, because while some as Lindsey Graham dismisses the ”non-human” bit so to say, no one seems to be willing to state that the UAPs aren’t some exotic black projects by the US (at least that I have seen). Here’s a brief overview from wiki:
Senator Lindsey Graham found the claims unreasonable, saying, "If we'd really found this stuff, there's no way you could keep it from coming out".[45] Senator Josh Hawley said, "I'm not surprised, necessarily, by these latest allegations, because it sounds pretty close to what they kind of grudgingly admitted to us in the briefing".[10][45] Some senators, though not concerned about Grusch's specific claims, were concerned that Congress might not have been briefed on special access programs.[10] Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who led a Senate hearing on UFOs in April 2023, said she intends to hold a hearing to assess whether "rogue SAP programs" existed "that no one is providing oversight for".[10] Senator Marco Rubio, vice-chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said, "there are people who have come forward to share information with our committee over the last couple of years" with "first-hand knowledge" and that they were "potentially some of the same people perhaps" referred to by Grusch.[46][47]
I didn't say he was lying. It is entirely possible to deceive people without uttering a single falsehood.

I'm saying that I am not inclined to take his stuff at face value, given that he has extensive experience in information operations aimed at deceiving adversaries of the United States government.

And one must remember that the adversaries of the United States Government include a large number of American citizens...
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:41 pm
Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:10 am
Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:16 am Thanks for the summary. Very much appreciated.

I don’t know what to make of it all. It is beyond belief but impossible to explain or ignore.
Agreed. If this is indeed real it is also of extreme importance. It was stressed repeatedly by all three participants that we do not possess any weapons technology that would be able to defend against craft like this if they were hostile.

There is something I would be interested in hearing your opinion on. Fravor explained that the ”tic-tac” had a lenght of approx. 40 feet, that radar systems on the Nimitz, the Princeton and an E-2 along with a Super Hornet were able to detect it, but the legacy Hornets did not see it on their radars. Do you think that that points to a generally low-RCS object or that there’s some other explanation for it, such as something having to do with frequencies? That it’s absorbing certain frequencies more than others?
Kinda sounds like stealth RCS. I know the E-2 with a B band radar could track low RCS targets that higher frequency radars could not.

I don’t know which radars on the CV and CG could track and which could not. Kinda important piece of info that I didn’t see.

That an F-18C couldn’t track but an F-18E could is confusing. I thought those radars, while different, operate in the same frequency band. Perhaps the more advanced signal processing in the AESA radar.

The thing that doesn’t really track is - IF an advanced civilization had come all this way, why wouldn’t they make themselves known?

Maybe they have a Prime Directive?

Or they are the advanced scouting group for the follow on invasion/colonization missions?

While I tend to agree that the statistical probability of other civilizations is not zero, the conditions of our planet are very rare in the galaxy. The distances involved are enormous and daunting absent some really science fiction level propulsion.

If such a spacecraft were able to reach here and wanted to remain undetected, why would they expose themselves to detection by playing tag with our systems?

I think perhaps there is a more terrestrial answer hiding in Black Programs somewhere but that opens up even more questions. Such as what incompetent Black program manager would let the existence of his program be exposed by playing tag with our regular forces?

The world wonders :mrgreen:

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Thanks. I wonder if it could be worked out what the rough RCS was if one has access to the details of how the different radars operate. If radar X can’t track but radar Y gets a weak track maybe that gives a ballpark figure.

One thing that struck me when watching another interview with Fravor is that he said he found himself in a two circle with the tic-tac, and it matched his speed. So basically BFM. That sound more like something controlled by a human to me, like an ex-fighter pilot that’s controlling it from somewhere else and decided to play a bit with the navy boys when they showed up.

As for why they came across it, I was wondering if the part about it being an unauthorized program is true, and they couldn’t deconflict through normal channels. Instead banking on the UFO stigma taking care of it if they’re spotted.

I think we need to separate the probability for life somewhere else in the universe (I think very high) and the probability of said life having made it here (much lower).

Some suggested reasons for someone showing up and not talking:
1. They’re only interested in monitoring us to see if we develop into a threat, and if so take action.

2. They consider us as of such lower standing that earth is the equivalent of a zoo to them.
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Poohbah wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:47 pm
Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:53 pm
Poohbah wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:37 pm

Whenever an intelligence weenie is telling you something, you must ask WHY he's telling it to you.
Yeah, and it could for instance be that he’s lying for some reason, or has been lied to himself and is passing on false information unwittingly. But this new piece of information you provided doesn’t necessarily point towards a psyop on his part. It’s risky as hell to go before congress and lie under oath, could be consequences down the line since he’s indicated that he’s willing to provide names, locations, and details in a SCIF session, things that are specific enough to be validated or dismissed. So I don’t think he’s intentionally lying (unless he’s gone mentally insane, never know) so that leaves him being set up by someone. But a psyops background should be more likely to make him realize that, if he’s being used as part of a psyops, so to me that tends to be more supportive rather than dismissive of his claims.

But, having said all that, there’s always the possibility that this is one or more of the above scenarios, or something else going on that we haven’t thought about.

One additional thing about Grusch I do find interesting is that the Intellligence community inspector general seems to have vetted his claim and found it substantial enough to support his hearing. And, a former IC inspector general (McCullough) is functioning as Grusch’s attorney. He also seems to be indicating that there’s something of substance here.

The responses by some in congress are also interesting, because while some as Lindsey Graham dismisses the ”non-human” bit so to say, no one seems to be willing to state that the UAPs aren’t some exotic black projects by the US (at least that I have seen). Here’s a brief overview from wiki:
Senator Lindsey Graham found the claims unreasonable, saying, "If we'd really found this stuff, there's no way you could keep it from coming out".[45] Senator Josh Hawley said, "I'm not surprised, necessarily, by these latest allegations, because it sounds pretty close to what they kind of grudgingly admitted to us in the briefing".[10][45] Some senators, though not concerned about Grusch's specific claims, were concerned that Congress might not have been briefed on special access programs.[10] Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who led a Senate hearing on UFOs in April 2023, said she intends to hold a hearing to assess whether "rogue SAP programs" existed "that no one is providing oversight for".[10] Senator Marco Rubio, vice-chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said, "there are people who have come forward to share information with our committee over the last couple of years" with "first-hand knowledge" and that they were "potentially some of the same people perhaps" referred to by Grusch.[46][47]
I didn't say he was lying. It is entirely possible to deceive people without uttering a single falsehood.

I'm saying that I am not inclined to take his stuff at face value, given that he has extensive experience in information operations aimed at deceiving adversaries of the United States government.

And one must remember that the adversaries of the United States Government include a large number of American citizens...
Don’t take at face value, but investigate further and see if it’s possible to figure out what the truth is. There could potentially be some really interesting things to come out of this.
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So I was pondering Grusch a bit. He’s apparently provided the inspector general of the intelligence community with the details he says he couldn’t provide to congress in an open setting. Names, locations etc. The IC IG has reviewed this and per the congress members stated to them (don’t remember the exact wording) that the claims are credible and potentially indicates an urgent national security issue.

Secondly, I had a look to see what Ross Coulthart had to say, the journalist who first interviewed Grusch. He believes that this is true, that I’m quite certain of. He’s saying that he’s talked to high up US military and IC officials who’s both vouched for Grusch and in some cases claimed to have direct knowledge of what Grusch has claimed, ie a secret progfam to reverse engineer non-human craft etc.

This does not in any way preclude a psyop or conspiracy that’s staging this. However, I do think it is possible to conclude that Grusch has not gone insane and is making this up on his solely on his own. This since both the IC IG and Coulthart has talked to a number of other individuals that’s backing up Grusch and his claims. Perhaps this isn’t an extremely helpful piece of information to have, but it might be something useful to keep in mind as this plays out.
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:41 pm
Micael wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:10 am
Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:16 am Thanks for the summary. Very much appreciated.

I don’t know what to make of it all. It is beyond belief but impossible to explain or ignore.
Agreed. If this is indeed real it is also of extreme importance. It was stressed repeatedly by all three participants that we do not possess any weapons technology that would be able to defend against craft like this if they were hostile.

There is something I would be interested in hearing your opinion on. Fravor explained that the ”tic-tac” had a lenght of approx. 40 feet, that radar systems on the Nimitz, the Princeton and an E-2 along with a Super Hornet were able to detect it, but the legacy Hornets did not see it on their radars. Do you think that that points to a generally low-RCS object or that there’s some other explanation for it, such as something having to do with frequencies? That it’s absorbing certain frequencies more than others?
Kinda sounds like stealth RCS. I know the E-2 with a B band radar could track low RCS targets that higher frequency radars could not.

I don’t know which radars on the CV and CG could track and which could not. Kinda important piece of info that I didn’t see.

That an F-18C couldn’t track but an F-18E could is confusing. I thought those radars, while different, operate in the same frequency band. Perhaps the more advanced signal processing in the AESA radar.

The thing that doesn’t really track is - IF an advanced civilization had come all this way, why wouldn’t they make themselves known?

Maybe they have a Prime Directive?

Or they are the advanced scouting group for the follow on invasion/colonization missions?

While I tend to agree that the statistical probability of other civilizations is not zero, the conditions of our planet are very rare in the galaxy. The distances involved are enormous and daunting absent some really science fiction level propulsion.

If such a spacecraft were able to reach here and wanted to remain undetected, why would they expose themselves to detection by playing tag with our systems?
If aliens exist and came visiting, I suspect they got just close enough to us to learn about us, realized we scare the absolute hell out of them, and they ran away as fast as possible warning everyone else in the galaxy to leave us the hell alone.

Humans are scary as hell on a good day - and that’s just in our fiction, which has to be plausible. Our history is even more terrifying, and that’s against each other. I doubt any alien species wants to find out just what a united and absolutely pissed off humanity can do.
Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:41 pmI think perhaps there is a more terrestrial answer hiding in Black Programs somewhere but that opens up even more questions. Such as what incompetent Black program manager would let the existence of his program be exposed by playing tag with our regular forces?

The world wonders :mrgreen:
Even the best get unlucky at times. Could be as simple as that.

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A quick question for Andy, if you’re able to answer. Fravor suggested, since the navy radar tapes are missing, that it should be checked if GIANT KILLER has got saved tapes that show the incident. What do you think the odds are of a NORAD installation still having those from so long ago?
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Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:49 am A quick question for Andy, if you’re able to answer. Fravor suggested, since the navy radar tapes are missing, that it should be checked if GIANT KILLER has got saved tapes that show the incident. What do you think the odds are of a NORAD installation still having those from so long ago?
I never heard of GIANT KILLER.

NORAD radar tapes (digital files) are no doubt filed away somewhere. Given how far offshore these were very doubtful of any use.
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:32 pm
Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:49 am A quick question for Andy, if you’re able to answer. Fravor suggested, since the navy radar tapes are missing, that it should be checked if GIANT KILLER has got saved tapes that show the incident. What do you think the odds are of a NORAD installation still having those from so long ago?
I never heard of GIANT KILLER.

NORAD radar tapes (digital files) are no doubt filed away somewhere. Given how far offshore these were very doubtful of any use.
Thank you very much. GIANT KILLER is, as I understand it, a radio callsign used by NEADS for fighter control (not sure if it’s still in use). It was in use during 9/11, in the released transcripts GIANT KILLER directed the scrambled fighters to DC and NYC. It seems that it’s turned into a nickname of sorts for NEADS for some pilots, which seems to be how Fravor used it in this context.
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Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:53 pm
Nightwatch2 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:32 pm
Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:49 am A quick question for Andy, if you’re able to answer. Fravor suggested, since the navy radar tapes are missing, that it should be checked if GIANT KILLER has got saved tapes that show the incident. What do you think the odds are of a NORAD installation still having those from so long ago?
I never heard of GIANT KILLER.

NORAD radar tapes (digital files) are no doubt filed away somewhere. Given how far offshore these were very doubtful of any use.
Thank you very much. GIANT KILLER is, as I understand it, a radio callsign used by NEADS for fighter control (not sure if it’s still in use). It was in use during 9/11, in the released transcripts GIANT KILLER directed the scrambled fighters to DC and NYC. It seems that it’s turned into a nickname of sorts for NEADS for some pilots, which seems to be how Fravor used it in this context.
The Nimitz info wouldn't be with NEADS, it'd be with NEADS, I don't know their call sign.
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Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:53 pm
Nightwatch2 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:32 pm
Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:49 am A quick question for Andy, if you’re able to answer. Fravor suggested, since the navy radar tapes are missing, that it should be checked if GIANT KILLER has got saved tapes that show the incident. What do you think the odds are of a NORAD installation still having those from so long ago?
I never heard of GIANT KILLER.

NORAD radar tapes (digital files) are no doubt filed away somewhere. Given how far offshore these were very doubtful of any use.
Thank you very much. GIANT KILLER is, as I understand it, a radio callsign used by NEADS for fighter control (not sure if it’s still in use). It was in use during 9/11, in the released transcripts GIANT KILLER directed the scrambled fighters to DC and NYC. It seems that it’s turned into a nickname of sorts for NEADS for some pilots, which seems to be how Fravor used it in this context.
Ah!

Funny, I had to review the audio tapes of NEADS of 9/11 . The internal comms, not the radios. I don’t remember hearing GIANT KILLER, but again that would have been the radio, not internal communications.

That was by the way, one of the hardest things I ever had to do.
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Poohbah wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:49 pm
Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:53 pm
Nightwatch2 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:32 pm

I never heard of GIANT KILLER.

NORAD radar tapes (digital files) are no doubt filed away somewhere. Given how far offshore these were very doubtful of any use.
Thank you very much. GIANT KILLER is, as I understand it, a radio callsign used by NEADS for fighter control (not sure if it’s still in use). It was in use during 9/11, in the released transcripts GIANT KILLER directed the scrambled fighters to DC and NYC. It seems that it’s turned into a nickname of sorts for NEADS for some pilots, which seems to be how Fravor used it in this context.
The Nimitz info wouldn't be with NEADS, it'd be with NEADS, I don't know their call sign.
I thought the encounter was off the west coast?
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:26 pm
Poohbah wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:49 pm
Micael wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:53 pm

Thank you very much. GIANT KILLER is, as I understand it, a radio callsign used by NEADS for fighter control (not sure if it’s still in use). It was in use during 9/11, in the released transcripts GIANT KILLER directed the scrambled fighters to DC and NYC. It seems that it’s turned into a nickname of sorts for NEADS for some pilots, which seems to be how Fravor used it in this context.
The Nimitz info wouldn't be with NEADS, it'd be with NEADS, I don't know their call sign.
I thought the encounter was off the west coast?
Exactly.
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