The strenght stones

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Micael
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The strenght stones

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So what are these you may wonder. Well in the past in Sweden, long before anyone had invented the concept of HR departments, your job interview as a farmhand was pretty straightforward.

You were presented with a smooth rounded stone, weighing usually from 120 kg (264 lb) to 170 kg (374 lb) depending on your location. You were expected to lift this stone at least waist high, but preferrably chest high, and for bonus points walk a few steps with it. That got you the job, if you were unable to you were out of luck. In some places this practice continued until the mid-20th century. In many places there were also smaller stones that would be lifted by young farm helpers, around ten years old, to prove that they could now be useful in some tasks around a farm.

Here’s a couple of examples of the stones.
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Usually there was at least one in each parish, and you were considered a fully grown man until you had been able to lift it. They were called ”drängasten” (farmhand stone), ”styrkesten” (strenght stone) or ”giftassten” (marriage stone) depending on where you were. Marriage? Yes, in some places you weren’t allowed to enter into marriage until you had lifted the stone and thereby demonstrated that you were a fully capable man. Furthermore the stones often featured at events where young men would compete in lifting them with young women looking on.

Here’s a modern example of a lift attempt.
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The history of these goes back to at least the vikkng age, probably earlier, and there is some reference to these in the norse sagas. Thor has a sort of a stone lifting contest in one of them.

The practice also survived in Iceland and the Faraoe Islands. In Iceland it evolved into an employment test for jobs on the fishing boats, in which a prospective employee would lift a series of stones of increasingly greater size and weight and the results determined the position and salary you would get on the boat. From this Icelandic tradition came the current stone lifting events in Strong Man competitions.

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In Iceland the epitome of strenght was if you managed to pick up a specific stone, the Husafell stone, and carry it around a goat pen. This weighs 190 kg (419 lb) and only if you succeeded in this you were deemed ”fullsterkur”, or fully strong.

The stones also slotted into the folklore, with it not being entirely unusual that they were claimed to be enchanted or possessed by some sort of supernatural being. This also fitted in with the marriage aspect, if someone had been unsuccessfull in lifting a stone and proving himself worthy of marriage the judgement from onlookers could be that he had done something to be punished by the spirits, and could thus also lead to a measurement of shunning by vary locals who didn’t know how bad the presumed thing he had done was.

Yet another aspect of the past that is fascinating.
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It seems a simple, economic and practical alternative to a 4 year college degree that doesn't prepare you for anything but costs 100,000 usd.
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Nathan45 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 pm It seems a simple, economic and practical alternative to a 4 year college degree that doesn't prepare you for anything but costs 100,000 usd.
Yeah in some ways it makes more sense. Someone should try it again.
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Micael wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:54 am
Nathan45 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 pm It seems a simple, economic and practical alternative to a 4 year college degree that doesn't prepare you for anything but costs 100,000 usd.
Yeah in some ways it makes more sense. Someone should try it again.
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jemhouston wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:19 am
Micael wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:54 am
Nathan45 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 pm It seems a simple, economic and practical alternative to a 4 year college degree that doesn't prepare you for anything but costs 100,000 usd.
Yeah in some ways it makes more sense. Someone should try it again.
Mike Rowe's foundation is.

After the pandemic, people are skipping 4 year college and getting to work. Enough so certain people are worried. When those people get worried, I'm happy.
One of the issues is that those going into trades are disproportionately male. This has two issues:

1. There's a weird thing that happens at universities that exceed a critical point in their female-male ratio--male alumni stop writing checks. And, by all accounts I've heard, female alumni are stingy.

2. Much past 60% at a given school, and the in house counsel starts making noises about Title IX lawsuits and "appearance of systemic discrimination."
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Nathan45 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 pmIt seems a simple, economic and practical alternative to a 4 year college degree that doesn't prepare you for anything but costs 100,000 usd.
Power tools and hydraulics are now a thing. In industry it's rare that you should be lifting anything weighing more than about 20 kg/50 lbs by hand and for anything even close to this weight you should always use mechanical lifting equipment. Not only is it vastly safer, but mechanical lifting equipment gives you far better control of the load and so you do the job better with less scrap. The best (former) apprentice I know is female and really small, while her husband is much bigger but an absolute menace with anything resembling at tool.

Sorry for the rant here, but we have a really big problem in the engineering industry with gender ratios. Literally everything we do requires skill and particularly fine motor control, with mechanical handling equipment used to ensure even 95th percentile females can do a task repeatedly with no risk. But because of attitudes like this which went out with the dinosaurs we have real issues recruiting enough people because only 50% of the population consider applying so we're all fighting over the small pool within that 50% who have the right mindset, motor skills and attitude.

So far as education levels go, within the factory we've got:
  • About 20% who absolutely need the technical skills learned during a degree to do their job or who have essentially learned an approximation to the same skills over decades of experience (not quite true as there is a lot they never learn, but we manage).
  • About 20% who work with their brains but don't specifically use their degree. A large chunk of these have a relevant degree, the rest have learned on the job in one way or another. Typically a degree short-cuts about a decade of experience in terms of how good they are, mostly being indistinguishable afterwards.
  • The remaining 60% have hands-on skills learned on the job, normally via an apprenticeship. We take on and train 10 apprentices a year - typically about 1/3 of their time during their apprenticeship will be spent on classroom learning, the other 2/3 on the tools under supervision. The apprentices are by and large scrawny 16 year old boys (again, issues recruiting girls for the role).
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