Drach does FRANKLIN

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Johnnie Lyle
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It’s an incredible story of her damage and survival. Some absolutely amazing stories of heroism and seamanship.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tf83V2kdAXM ... IECMiOmarE
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Johnnie Lyle wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:50 am It’s an incredible story of her damage and survival. Some absolutely amazing stories of heroism and seamanship.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tf83V2kdAXM ... IECMiOmarE
i'm very impressed by the technical details and research in this.
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:01 pm
Johnnie Lyle wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:50 am It’s an incredible story of her damage and survival. Some absolutely amazing stories of heroism and seamanship.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tf83V2kdAXM ... IECMiOmarE
i'm very impressed by the technical details and research in this.
Drach’s channel is a favorite. Lots of really good videos there.
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It’s a good channel, and this was an interesting video.
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Nightwatch2 wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:01 pm
Johnnie Lyle wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:50 am It’s an incredible story of her damage and survival. Some absolutely amazing stories of heroism and seamanship.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tf83V2kdAXM ... IECMiOmarE
i'm very impressed by the technical details and research in this.
IIRC Drach is/was an engineer before starting the youtube business, so he's always been good on the technical side
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Luigil101 wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:33 am
Nightwatch2 wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:01 pm
Johnnie Lyle wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:50 am It’s an incredible story of her damage and survival. Some absolutely amazing stories of heroism and seamanship.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tf83V2kdAXM ... IECMiOmarE
i'm very impressed by the technical details and research in this.
IIRC Drach is/was an engineer before starting the youtube business, so he's always been good on the technical side
I’ve been subscribed for awhile now. He’s very good
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Same subbed for a long time to Drach, but really appreciated Johnnie bringing this one to our attention.
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Interesting video and very good.

Were any of the IJN carriers hit at Midway or elsewhere damaged similarly? Doubtless any IJN ship would have sunk within hours.
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kdahm wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:04 am Interesting video and very good.

Were any of the IJN carriers hit at Midway or elsewhere damaged similarly? Doubtless any IJN ship would have sunk within hours.
I think Drach has done a video on USN vs IJN damage control.

The issue wasn’t so much ships as crews and damage control philosophy. The USN, especially by 1945, had damage control as at least a secondary responsibility of everyone on board. The Japanese, conversely, considered damage control to be a specialty within the engineering department. As a result, an American ship had vastly greater damage control resources. Even more importantly, the USN had vastly greater ability to disseminate knowledge throughout the fleet and especially to new crews. It’s occasionally commented upon, but the IJN seriously lost crew skills as the war went on, while the USN did not, despite the vast massive expansion of USN personnel.

An American crew on AKAGI may well have brought her home. They definitely would have brought TAIHO home.
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Johnnie Lyle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:16 am
kdahm wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:04 am Interesting video and very good.

Were any of the IJN carriers hit at Midway or elsewhere damaged similarly? Doubtless any IJN ship would have sunk within hours.
I think Drach has done a video on USN vs IJN damage control.

The issue wasn’t so much ships as crews and damage control philosophy. The USN, especially by 1945, had damage control as at least a secondary responsibility of everyone on board. The Japanese, conversely, considered damage control to be a specialty within the engineering department. As a result, an American ship had vastly greater damage control resources. Even more importantly, the USN had vastly greater ability to disseminate knowledge throughout the fleet and especially to new crews. It’s occasionally commented upon, but the IJN seriously lost crew skills as the war went on, while the USN did not, despite the vast massive expansion of USN personnel.

An American crew on AKAGI may well have brought her home. They definitely would have brought TAIHO home.
Drach has done such a video. yes.

IIRC, there were also material issues on IJN ships - things like not enough firefighting equipment (just enough for the DC specialists, so that one bit them twice), and water pipes being overly brittle and insufficiently redundant.

A USN crew pre-Coral Sea probably would not have saved Taiho, but a USN crew post-Midway probably would have. My understanding of Akagi's damage is that she was probably doomed no matter what, but a late-war USN crew might - MIGHT - have managed to limp the wreck back to home waters (to be CTL'd in harbor).
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What about Shinano? Could a US crew, and US contractor workers, have saved her if they had been on board? Assume same condition at departure from Yokosuka and all four torpedoes hit in the same places. The crew would be familiar with the ship from working on her previously and are not simply switched out at sailing. And a US captain instead of Abe. All are at least average US late 1944 quality.
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kdahm wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:04 am Interesting video and very good.

Were any of the IJN carriers hit at Midway or elsewhere damaged similarly? Doubtless any IJN ship would have sunk within hours.
Worse! All but Akagi took more than one bomb, Kaga half a dozen or so, the other two were a bit on the small side for CV and all had violated ammo handling and safety regulations on a level like the RN battle cruisers at Jutland.

kdahm wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:15 am What about Shinano? Could a US crew, and US contractor workers, have saved her if they had been on board? Assume same condition at departure from Yokosuka and all four torpedoes hit in the same places. The crew would be familiar with the ship from working on her previously and are not simply switched out at sailing. And a US captain instead of Abe. All are at least average US late 1944 quality.
I'm not 100% certain but she wasn't fully completed lacking watertight doors and so on.
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