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Like I said, the version I heard includes a classified mission in there on behalf of the State of Texas. Maybe that's some of the mystery. The state still refuses to release all of the info on state-sponsored resistance, including Texas Ranger operations and any support they gave to judges riding circuit.Wolfman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:21 pm Poohbah, her being under restoration when the war kicked off matches with what I know about her, but the rest of the story is shrouded in mystery. Suffice it to say, she, Diamond Lil’, and Fifi all somehow made it out of Texas. I’ve heard that they rendezvoused in the Oklahoma panhandle and turned southwest from there towards Arizona, finally bedding down with the Arizona Wing of the CAF for the duration between war bond tours.
They may not be able to. Rumor has it at least some of the records were destroyed post war. I'm not sure why, at least one circuit judge wrote a book on the subject. Every Judge was given a copy of their orders to operate. In some cases, they were dual tasked with Federal authority.Poohbah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:38 pmLike I said, the version I heard includes a classified mission in there on behalf of the State of Texas. Maybe that's some of the mystery. The state still refuses to release all of the info on state-sponsored resistance, including Texas Ranger operations and any support they gave to judges riding circuit.Wolfman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:21 pm Poohbah, her being under restoration when the war kicked off matches with what I know about her, but the rest of the story is shrouded in mystery. Suffice it to say, she, Diamond Lil’, and Fifi all somehow made it out of Texas. I’ve heard that they rendezvoused in the Oklahoma panhandle and turned southwest from there towards Arizona, finally bedding down with the Arizona Wing of the CAF for the duration between war bond tours.
She deserved better, that's for sure.
The best memoir by a circuit judge was The Majesty of the Law: Riding Circuit in Occupied Texas by Rebecca Malkus. She rode circuit in Scurry County from 1985 to 1988. The biggest thing she ever did was conduct a trial of a KGB officer accused of rape and murder--of a Soviet Komandantura clerk! She made sure that they found his body, and that there was a complete transcript of the trial, showing that he'd been vigorously defended by a competent attorney and had been afforded all elements of due process as required under the laws of Texas...including the appellate phase; another circuit judge reviewed the proceedings.jemhouston wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:21 amThey may not be able to. Rumor has it at least some of the records were destroyed post war. I'm not sure why, at least one circuit judge wrote a book on the subject. Every Judge was given a copy of their orders to operate. In some cases, they were dual tasked with Federal authority.Poohbah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:38 pmLike I said, the version I heard includes a classified mission in there on behalf of the State of Texas. Maybe that's some of the mystery. The state still refuses to release all of the info on state-sponsored resistance, including Texas Ranger operations and any support they gave to judges riding circuit.Wolfman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:21 pm Poohbah, her being under restoration when the war kicked off matches with what I know about her, but the rest of the story is shrouded in mystery. Suffice it to say, she, Diamond Lil’, and Fifi all somehow made it out of Texas. I’ve heard that they rendezvoused in the Oklahoma panhandle and turned southwest from there towards Arizona, finally bedding down with the Arizona Wing of the CAF for the duration between war bond tours.
She deserved better, that's for sure.
I thought the book's title was, "Even in War, the Law is Heard," but Amazon didn't have it.
That’s a problem, then.jemhouston wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:39 am Houston Chronicle for one. That's how the destruction came to light. Problem is any paperwork ordering the destruction is gone.
Part of it may have been destroyed in the run up to the Battle of Wichita. There was some question if the US Army could hold the Russians and they didn't want them falling into enemy hands.
While I can understand the Soviet Military Authority being "upset" over being shown up/exposed as not having any "real legitimacy" there, did they give any kind of unofficial "attaboy"? I mean, the "local authorities" both punished a KGB Officer, and also got justice for one of their own who that KGB Officer had raped and killed. Maybe after the war, some of them went back and thanked her for getting justice for the clerk, from the KGB Officer who raped and killed her (I'm assuming it was a her).Poohbah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:44 am The best memoir by a circuit judge was The Majesty of the Law: Riding Circuit in Occupied Texas by Rebecca Malkus. She rode circuit in Scurry County from 1985 to 1988. The biggest thing she ever did was conduct a trial of a KGB officer accused of rape and murder--of a Soviet Komandantura clerk! She made sure that they found his body, and that there was a complete transcript of the trial, showing that he'd been vigorously defended by a competent attorney and had been afforded all elements of due process as required under the laws of Texas...including the appellate phase; another circuit judge reviewed the proceedings.
That move ended up gutting Soviet authority in Scurry County--even in the eyes of the military government. It showed them that they'd never be legitimate, no matter how many people they shot.
What it did was eat away at the sense of mission. Eventually, they stopped even trying to pretend they were in charge. Six months after Yevgeni Rozhenko faced a firing squad, 40th Mech arrived, figuring there'd be a fight.Kendog52361 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:29 amWhile I can understand the Soviet Military Authority being "upset" over being shown up/exposed as not having any "real legitimacy" there, did they give any kind of unofficial "attaboy"? I mean, the "local authorities" both punished a KGB Officer, and also got justice for one of their own who that KGB Officer had raped and killed. Maybe after the war, some of them went back and thanked her for getting justice for the clerk, from the KGB Officer who raped and killed her (I'm assuming it was a her).Poohbah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:44 am The best memoir by a circuit judge was The Majesty of the Law: Riding Circuit in Occupied Texas by Rebecca Malkus. She rode circuit in Scurry County from 1985 to 1988. The biggest thing she ever did was conduct a trial of a KGB officer accused of rape and murder--of a Soviet Komandantura clerk! She made sure that they found his body, and that there was a complete transcript of the trial, showing that he'd been vigorously defended by a competent attorney and had been afforded all elements of due process as required under the laws of Texas...including the appellate phase; another circuit judge reviewed the proceedings.
That move ended up gutting Soviet authority in Scurry County--even in the eyes of the military government. It showed them that they'd never be legitimate, no matter how many people they shot.
It may not have been malicious or intentional. Seen lots of government documents destroyed because they were “old,” for various reasons - especially if they thought copies were stored elsewhere or space was tight.Wolfman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:36 amThat’s a problem, then.jemhouston wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:39 am Houston Chronicle for one. That's how the destruction came to light. Problem is any paperwork ordering the destruction is gone.
Part of it may have been destroyed in the run up to the Battle of Wichita. There was some question if the US Army could hold the Russians and they didn't want them falling into enemy hands.
Someone with the coin and a lawyer skilled in FOIA cases should definitely give it a try.
Texas certainly had one of the most effective resistance movements. How did they pull something like that trial off without being caught?Poohbah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:44 am The best memoir by a circuit judge was The Majesty of the Law: Riding Circuit in Occupied Texas by Rebecca Malkus. She rode circuit in Scurry County from 1985 to 1988. The biggest thing she ever did was conduct a trial of a KGB officer accused of rape and murder--of a Soviet Komandantura clerk! She made sure that they found his body, and that there was a complete transcript of the trial, showing that he'd been vigorously defended by a competent attorney and had been afforded all elements of due process as required under the laws of Texas...including the appellate phase; another circuit judge reviewed the proceedings.
That move ended up gutting Soviet authority in Scurry County--even in the eyes of the military government. It showed them that they'd never be legitimate, no matter how many people they shot.