And it looks like they will finish doing Big E wrong...

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kdahm
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What else could they do with her?

Sinkex? Probably the best fate, but they'd have to cut into her to get the reactors out first.
Museum ship? Much too expensive to operate, plus being a nuke ship means that it's not as simple as shutting down the steam plant?
Leaving her pierside until she sinks on her own?
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...I know there was some discussion about bringing chunks of her island to the Mariner's Museum, but as difficult and expensive as that would be it would still have been the only really practical way to preserve any of her.

Mike
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clancyphile wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 3:26 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eLOZ15VvI0

Words fail me.

:(

:x

:evil: :evil: :evil:
And it looks like they're doing the right thing. Treating the ship correctly.

Too big and expensive and complicated to even contemplate as a museum. Stop promoting any delusions about that. Thus it needs disposing of in some other way. Scrapping it is one of those possible other ways.

As is so often the case you let preconceptions and prejudice cloud your thoughts far too much. You therefore come to prima facie incorrect conclusions.
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David Newton wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 9:52 am
clancyphile wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 3:26 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eLOZ15VvI0

Words fail me.

:(

:x

:evil: :evil: :evil:
And it looks like they're doing the right thing. Treating the ship correctly.

Too big and expensive and complicated to even contemplate as a museum. Stop promoting any delusions about that. Thus it needs disposing of in some other way. Scrapping it is one of those possible other ways.

As is so often the case you let preconceptions and prejudice cloud your thoughts far too much. You therefore come to prima facie incorrect conclusions.
Was watching one of Drachinifels' Drydock episodes the other night, and he was asked about how certain ships' names came to be legendary. His example was Enterprise - there had been six ships with that name in the USN before CV-6 was commissioned, and although they served well and did their jobs, there was nothing memorable about them. But CV-6's record was such that the previous ships - and the later ones - have been seen in an absolutely glorious light - see also Dreadnaught, of which there have been at least twelve, with a thirteenth on the way, but the eleventh is the one everybody remembers, and gave the others an aura of legend.

When you add to the Legend the sad facts around the failure to preserve CV-6, it's going to be a challenge for anyone with a sense of history to simply accept that we're going to let another one go....but there is no way around it. Even if you could handwave away the issues surrounding her reactors, Enterprise is just too damned big to go anywhere as a museum and far too expensive to maintain as such. But the legend is is always going to stand front and center, and that's where we are.

Mike
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David Newton wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 9:52 am
clancyphile wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 3:26 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eLOZ15VvI0

Words fail me.

:(

:x

:evil: :evil: :evil:
And it looks like they're doing the right thing. Treating the ship correctly.

Too big and expensive and complicated to even contemplate as a museum. Stop promoting any delusions about that. Thus it needs disposing of in some other way. Scrapping it is one of those possible other ways.

As is so often the case you let preconceptions and prejudice cloud your thoughts far too much. You therefore come to prima facie incorrect conclusions.
The supporters of the SS United States were guilty of that delusion I'm afraid. If, like the RMS Queen Mary, they had made a museum out of her right when taken out of service it might have been viable.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 11:46 pm Was watching one of Drachinifels' Drydock episodes the other night, and he was asked about how certain ships' names came to be legendary. His example was Enterprise - there had been six ships with that name in the USN before CV-6 was commissioned, and although they served well and did their jobs, there was nothing memorable about them. But CV-6's record was such that the previous ships - and the later ones - have been seen in an absolutely glorious light - see also Dreadnaught, of which there have been at least twelve, with a thirteenth on the way, but the eleventh is the one everybody remembers, and gave the others an aura of legend.

When you add to the Legend the sad facts around the failure to preserve CV-6, it's going to be a challenge for anyone with a sense of history to simply accept that we're going to let another one go....but there is no way around it. Even if you could handwave away the issues surrounding her reactors, Enterprise is just too damned big to go anywhere as a museum and far too expensive to maintain as such. But the legend is is always going to stand front and center, and that's where we are.

Mike
I had thought that the place for her to go would be off Turner Joy Road at the Naval Academy.
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clancyphile wrote: Fri May 09, 2025 2:26 am
MikeKozlowski wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 11:46 pm Was watching one of Drachinifels' Drydock episodes the other night, and he was asked about how certain ships' names came to be legendary. His example was Enterprise - there had been six ships with that name in the USN before CV-6 was commissioned, and although they served well and did their jobs, there was nothing memorable about them. But CV-6's record was such that the previous ships - and the later ones - have been seen in an absolutely glorious light - see also Dreadnaught, of which there have been at least twelve, with a thirteenth on the way, but the eleventh is the one everybody remembers, and gave the others an aura of legend.

When you add to the Legend the sad facts around the failure to preserve CV-6, it's going to be a challenge for anyone with a sense of history to simply accept that we're going to let another one go....but there is no way around it. Even if you could handwave away the issues surrounding her reactors, Enterprise is just too damned big to go anywhere as a museum and far too expensive to maintain as such. But the legend is is always going to stand front and center, and that's where we are.

Mike
I had thought that the place for her to go would be off Turner Joy Road at the Naval Academy.
There is no way in hell to get her up there safely. And that's still a huge chunk of money for upkeep.

I wish they could preserve her island at someplace appropriate.
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