US Army is missing $151+ million meant to feed troops.

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US Army is missing $151+ million meant to feed troops.

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Of course no one has any idea where the money went.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/inv ... -army.html
Over $151 Million Taken from Soldiers' Paychecks for Food Costs Spent Elsewhere by the Army
The money is collected in what amounts to a tax on troops -- taken from their Basic Allowance for Subsistence payments, roughly $460 per month that is automatically deducted from the paychecks of service members
Military.com | By Steve Beynon
Published February 14, 2025 at 1:05pm ET

The Army is repurposing more than half of the money it collects from junior enlisted soldiers for food, according to data reviewed by Military.com. The numbers suggest that a large portion of those funds are not going toward feeding soldiers, a diversion of resources coming at a time when troops increasingly struggle to find nutritious food on base.

The money is collected in what amounts to a tax on troops -- taken from their Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS) payments, roughly $460 per month that is automatically deducted from the paychecks of service members who live in barracks and is intended to help cover food costs. For junior enlisted troops who earn about $30,000 annually, the cost can be consequential.

2024 financial records provided by the service from 11 of the Army's largest bases show that more than $151 million of $225 million collected from soldiers was not spent on food. Given that the Army operates 104 garrisons, the true amount of unspent funds is likely far higher.


"It's just returned to the big pool of Army funds, and it's used someplace else," one service official with direct knowledge of the situation said during an interview that was arranged by the Army public affairs office, referring to redirected BAS money collected from soldiers.

At Fort Stewart, Georgia, for example, soldiers contributed $17 million, but the base spent just $2.1 million -- redirecting 87% of the funds. Schofield Barracks in Hawaii collected $14.5 million but used only $5.3 million, meaning 63% of the money was used elsewhere.

All but two bases left more than half of the money for food unspent. Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska and Fort Bliss, Texas, left 41% and 49% of funds on the table, respectively.

It's unclear what specifically the additional funds taken from soldiers are being spent on, but they do not appear to be going toward feeding soldiers. Major expenses such as dining hall infrastructure and food service worker salaries come from separate funding sources and, when pressed repeatedly by Military.com, Army officials declined to provide additional financial data.

How to feed the force is an equation service planners continue to grapple with. In 2023, Military.com reported that Fort Cavazos, Texas -- the Army's most extensive base -- was barely able to keep its food services running for much of that summer, with only two of its 10 dining facilities open, leaving soldiers struggling to find meals.

In November last year, the publication reported pervasive food shortages at Fort Carson, Colorado. Soldiers were fed meals that were just a slice of toast and lima beans, troops told Military.com.

Soldiers were recently served toast and lima beans for dinner at Fort Carson
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The Army has a nutrition policy on what it is supposed to feed soldiers, though it's rarely followed and in some cases outright ignored. The service has invested in so-called kiosks, which are cheap alternatives to major dining facilities. Instead of cooked meals, soldiers have access to grab-and-go snacks and prepackaged sandwiches akin to the quality of prepared meals at a gas station.

Military.com reviewed the menus at those kiosks and found that it's virtually impossible for soldiers to stay within healthy nutrition guidelines, with most offerings being heavy in sugar and low in protein. The service's previous top enlisted leader, Sergeant Major of the Army Michael Grinston, sought to heavily invest in healthy foods, seeking to feed soldiers more like professional athletes and dramatically expand meal options to include fresh protein shakes. But those efforts never came to fruition after getting snagged in bureaucratic difficulties.

"Stealing food money from our soldiers is not how we achieve military readiness," Rep. Jill Tokuda, D-Hawaii, whose district includes Schofield Barracks, told Military.com when presented with the numbers. "The fact that at least $151 million was collected from soldiers and not spent on food as required demands not just an immediate investigation, but swift accountability."

Army officials declined to answer detailed, or even broad, questions about how so much money is diverted and how budgets for food are decided. The service also declined to make any senior officials available on the record for interviews.

Maj. Andrea Kelly, an Army spokesperson, told Military.com in a statement the service only uses funds "needed to feed the projected number of meals based on previous head counts," meaning historic attendance at dining facilities dictates how much food is purchased.

In the past, service officials have pointed to a lack of attendance at Army dining facilities, saying resources are continually stripped because of a perception of dwindling interest.

Reports from service members frequently describe undercooked meat, unseasoned meals, a lack of fresh ingredients, and unhealthy menu options. The substandard, and sometimes dangerous, food in turn leads to fewer soldiers using the facilities -- a downward spiral that results in even less money being spent on meals.

"The Army should be making improvements," said Rob Evans, the creator of Hots & Cots, a Yelp-style app where soldiers review military housing and dining facilities. "You wouldn't use this logic with recruiting. The Army doesn't take away recruiting resources just because of a bad year."

The issue is not new. In 2020, Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, who has since left Congress, pressed then-Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy on the matter during a budget hearing, saying the Army is either "wasting half the food, or the money is not being spent on the soldiers' food and it's being spent on something it's not appropriated for." However, there was seemingly no follow-up to that inquiry, which came just before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The following is data for the Army's 2024 fiscal year, which ran from October 1 2023 to Sept. 30, 2024. The rounded data shows the total amount of money collected for food from soldiers stationed at each installation against the money ultimately spent on food:

Fort Stewart, Georgia:
Money collected from soldiers: $17 million
Money spent on food: $2.1 million

Fort Drum, New York:
Money collected from soldiers: $18.2 million
Money spent on food: $3.9 million

Fort Carson, Colorado:
Money collected from soldiers: $22 million
Money spent on food: $5 million

Fort Riley, Kansas:
Money collected from soldiers: $19.1 million
Money spent on food: $5.1 million

Fort Bliss, Texas:
Money collected from soldiers: $22 million
Money spent on food: $11 million

Fort Cavazos, Texas:
Money collected from soldiers: $42.5 million
Money spent on food: $11.7 million

Fort Bragg, North Carolina:
Money collected from soldiers: $34.6 million
Money spent on food: $16.6 million

Fort Campbell, Kentucky:
Money collected from soldiers: $18 million
Money spent on food: $5.1 million

Schofield Barracks, Hawaii:
Money collected from soldiers: $14.5 million
Money spent on food: $5.3 million

Fort Wainwright, Alaska:
Money collected from soldiers: $9 million
Money spent on food: $3 million

Fort Richardson, Alaska:
Money collected from soldiers: $7.5 million
Money spent on food: $4 million
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Why are we even collecting money from E4 and below for food? That should be part of the basic allowance when living in barracks.
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kdahm wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:29 am Why are we even collecting money from E4 and below for food? That should be part of the basic allowance when living in barracks.
It was back in my day. You had a meal card and showed it at the entrance to the mess hall.

Given that we have had situations where DFAC contractors at Fort Knox didn't get paid, and where the Army was unable to feed 3rd ACR in garrison, but they have a bunch of money that was supposed to be used for feeding the troops, maybe we need to have come-to-Jesus meetings with the comptrollers.
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Napoleon had it right. Poorly fed troops are going to be grumpy. And in this case, very grumpy.
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This is fraud and theft. It's that simple. Theft from those the money is deducted from and fraudulent expenditure of the stolen money thereafter.

Leavenworth should reckon for everyone guilty of these offences.
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David Newton wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:28 amThis is fraud and theft. It's that simple. Theft from those the money is deducted from and fraudulent expenditure of the stolen money thereafter.

Leavenworth should reckon for everyone guilty of these offences.
Probably not - it's only illegal if they army promised that the catering was not-for-profit. Otherwise it's a legal but scummy way of giving junior soldiers a pay cut. Charging them by the meal usually works badly too - see Pay as you Starve implementation in the UK.
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The money was deducted with the express purpose of providing food. That means it MUST be used to provide food. If not then it is fraudulent misrepresentation of the purposes of the deduction. It is also theft because it is permanently depriving the soldiers of their money through dishonest means and using that money to benefit the agency doing the deducting.
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David Newton wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:00 pmThe money was deducted with the express purpose of providing food. That means it MUST be used to provide food. If not then it is fraudulent misrepresentation of the purposes of the deduction. It is also theft because it is permanently depriving the soldiers of their money through dishonest means and using that money to benefit the agency doing the deducting.
When I go to a restaurant, I give them money with the express intention of them providing me food. Provided they provide me with the food agreed on, I have no comeback in law about how they spent the money I gave them.
Note that behaviour like this is pretty common - just about every US University has compulsory meal plans for undergraduates which are an even bigger rip-off. Not unlawful, just scummy.
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Pdf27 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:29 pm
David Newton wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:00 pmThe money was deducted with the express purpose of providing food. That means it MUST be used to provide food. If not then it is fraudulent misrepresentation of the purposes of the deduction. It is also theft because it is permanently depriving the soldiers of their money through dishonest means and using that money to benefit the agency doing the deducting.
When I go to a restaurant, I give them money with the express intention of them providing me food. Provided they provide me with the food agreed on, I have no comeback in law about how they spent the money I gave them.
Note that behaviour like this is pretty common - just about every US University has compulsory meal plans for undergraduates which are an even bigger rip-off. Not unlawful, just scummy.
The difference is that this is deducted from their pay with no option to decline. Unlike the university, it isn't a fee, but a charge as a condition of employment. The amount is specifically deducted for food, and it should reflect the cost of providing that service. Excess should go to improving food service, not into the general funds.

If it were a private employer doing this instead of the Federal Government, like for oil rig workers, it would be considered an illegal pay deduction.
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Poohbah wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:49 am
kdahm wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:29 am Why are we even collecting money from E4 and below for food? That should be part of the basic allowance when living in barracks.
It was back in my day. You had a meal card and showed it at the entrance to the mess hall.

Given that we have had situations where DFAC contractors at Fort Knox didn't get paid, and where the Army was unable to feed 3rd ACR in garrison, but they have a bunch of money that was supposed to be used for feeding the troops, maybe we need to have come-to-Jesus meetings with the comptrollers.
What was it diverted to? Renaming the military bases that were too politically incorrect?
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clancyphile wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 6:19 pm
Poohbah wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:49 am
kdahm wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:29 am Why are we even collecting money from E4 and below for food? That should be part of the basic allowance when living in barracks.
It was back in my day. You had a meal card and showed it at the entrance to the mess hall.

Given that we have had situations where DFAC contractors at Fort Knox didn't get paid, and where the Army was unable to feed 3rd ACR in garrison, but they have a bunch of money that was supposed to be used for feeding the troops, maybe we need to have come-to-Jesus meetings with the comptrollers.
What was it diverted to? Renaming the military bases that were too politically incorrect?
No idea. I guess we're going to have to make sure those comptrollers are FOCUSED!
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On the flip side, is food & accomodation refunded back after exercise or operational deployment?

It certainly used to be over here, and I believe it still is- you can’t be charged for eating food & sleeping in your barracks if you’re out in the field.

As David & Pdf however, it’s a really shitty thing to do, stealth tax/ stealth payout verging on fraud.
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I have been trying to figure out my opinion on this which is why I've not posted on it yet.

They've taken a lot of money from the troops specifically for food, correct? Not housing? And it wasn't spent on the food? What, specifically, is it ALLOWED to be spent on? Just the purchase of, and preparation of food? Or just the food itself?

No matter how you look at it, there's been increasing numbers of complaints about the food in garrison over the last 10 or 20 years, as I understand it. They sure as hell need to be getting the money back from whatever slush fund it went into and spending it on better food for the troops.

Maybe DOGE can track this money next. I've been enjoying watching the NGOs that have been suckling at the federal teat shrivel like slugs under a mountain of salt. Really looking forward to the defense contractors doing the same.

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$460 a month.
That's a lot. £396 in UK money. I might spent half that.
The DOD would buy food in bulk, getting the best deal for the lowest quality as well.
So where's the money gone? Down the back of someone's sofa?
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Is this a branch specific thing? As I recall, dorm residents (gotta love the AF) got a reduced allowance for food to accommodate using the chow hall. We still got a bit into our checks though. If you were living in family housing for off base you got more, and if you went to the chow hall you'd actually have to pay whereas in the dorm you just scanned your ID.
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Pdf27 wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:29 pm
David Newton wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:00 pmThe money was deducted with the express purpose of providing food. That means it MUST be used to provide food. If not then it is fraudulent misrepresentation of the purposes of the deduction. It is also theft because it is permanently depriving the soldiers of their money through dishonest means and using that money to benefit the agency doing the deducting.
When I go to a restaurant, I give them money with the express intention of them providing me food. Provided they provide me with the food agreed on, I have no comeback in law about how they spent the money I gave them.
Note that behaviour like this is pretty common - just about every US University has compulsory meal plans for undergraduates which are an even bigger rip-off. Not unlawful, just scummy.
I wouldn’t characterize uni meal plans as a bigger rip off because they give you lots of food options in easy to access locations. You probably won’t ever max out your meal plan, but you’re definitely going to be fed quite a lot, and rather well. Uni food options are a big piece of the experience package they push to get undergraduate admissions, after all.

Conversely, the Army appears to be doing the opposite - taking a large deduction from soldiers, giving them shit food options, and pocketing the difference. More like the old assumptions about pursers, even though pursers didn’t really operate that way.
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$15 per day is an awful lot of raw ingredients, but ingredients aren't meals. You've got facility costs, staffing costs and so on, so you can imagine a skillful budgeter could justify contributing to those.
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I know that the British Army changed over from provision of food as part of general service in 1970 (https://www.nytimes.com/1970/02/26/arch ... board.html ), but when did the US Army follow suit? From what chaps have said here, the old system was still going in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
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....I was under the impression - and I could well be wrong - that BAS paid to troops in barracks (and then 'deducted' for meals they may or may not eat) was actually a bit of sleight-of-hand intended to make it look as if the troops were being paid more than they actually are.

FWIW, in SAC, the rule was that just about everybody got BAS, because our schedules could be so erratic.

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