Immaculate Constellation

[Micael]

So there was another UAP hearing in congress. Lots of stuff, high and low perhaps, but one of the more interesting tangible claims, and with some detail at that, was that an undisclosed special access program called IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION exist and which deals with UAP matters.

Here’s some detail about what is claimed:


Pretty interesting if there’s any truth to this. If there exist a concern about UAPs within elements of the US government, as there seem to be enough evidence around to suggest, it would also seem to be not too far-fetched that a central structure like this have been set up in likewise secrecy to manage the intelligence flow. But what do the rest of you think concerning the probability of this being a real USAP? And other thoughts as well of course.

[Micael]

I’ll hopefully have time to post a bit more later, but two things related to this from elsewhere that I found interesting.

1. Apparently IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION is controlled by the NSC and not under the DoD. Also, the Department of Energy is claimed to be a lot more involved in all of this than you might think.

2. Bigelow Aerospace is one of the private firms reportedly involved. In that light this is an interesting statement:
” Blair Bigelow May was VP of Bigelow Aerospace. Here is her view: I hope the upcoming UAP hearing sheds real light on what has, for too long, been kept in the shadows. It’s time for an open dialogue that reduces the stigma around reporting these phenomena—witnesses sharing firsthand experiences could inspire others to come forward. I'd also like to see clarity on our government’s stance: denials don’t help anyone if there’s actually truth to whispers about programs like Kona Blue or 'Immaculate Constellation.' We deserve a comprehensive investigation, one that acknowledges public interest and moves us beyond vague responses. If we’re serious about transparency, we have to confront what we might not fully understand—and that starts with the truth.”

[Nik_SpeakerToCats]

USSR and Chinese kept very, very quiet about those mega-mylar 'Weather Balloon' over-flights.

Similarly, if Chinese hadn't recently over-reached themselves and sent much too big and blatant balloons over US, nothing would have been said...

( Gone very quiet recently, perhaps USAF has figured efficient way to 'down' such trespassers ?? )

FWIW, I'm reminded that the West-US college team who routinely fly radiation sensors to such altitudes seem to have depressed their local rate of 'UAP' sightings.
"Oh, that's not Venus or a UFO, just them balloonatic kids again..."
https://spaceweather.com/

[Micael]

So one interesting person to appear before the committee was Timothy Gallaudet. I believe that he is the most senior former military official to testify in the affirmative about the real existence of these UAPs and USPs.

So first off who is Gallaudet? He’s a Rear Admiral (Ret.), and commanded the Naval Meterology and Oceanography Command, has got a PhD in oceanography, involved in the ASW side of things for a while, and established UAV and UUV programs for use by Navy SEALs. Later he was also acting under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere, and acting NOAA administrator. So potentially someone that have come across or has been read into some interesting things along the way.

Gallaudet among other things testified that there are color video recordings taken by photo recon satellites of UAPs. This also ties into similar claims made in the aforementioned report entered into congressional records, which is said to have been written by an unnamed Pentagon official.

Below is the section from the report that lists specific evidence that is held by the US government of some observations.

I’ll essentially reiterate some things I said in a previous thread, there’s something going on here. I can’t say what, by whom, or the purpose behind. But I believe that something substantial lies somewhere in all of this. I somewhat hope that this ”something substantial” turns out to be a massively well orchestrated desinformation campaign by the government, because alternative explanations may be dramatically more disconcerting in nature.

[Kunkmiester]

This stuff just makes me think of all the times I. Sci fi where these things are TOO classified. If the technology were examined by more people there's a greater chance to figure it out, if the alien menace is known sooner we can unite, that stuff.

[Micael]

This stuff just makes me think of all the times I. Sci fi where these things are TOO classified. If the technology were examined by more people there's a greater chance to figure it out, if the alien menace is known sooner we can unite, that stuff.

That is a point/claim that’s been made by some people who claim to have some insight. They say that everything has been heavily compartmentalized and different teams only have access to one snippet of information, another team a different snippet, and so on, and that this has severely hampered progress in figuring things out. If that’s true or not I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be overly surprised if it is.

[Rocket J Squrriel]

Here's a question: Is this just happening to us or do the Russians, Chinese, etc have sightings of there. If they do, odds are we know about it but won't say because of collection methods.

[warshipadmin]

A banal observation is that most of the reported shapes are elliptical in profile, like raindrops on a windscreen or any number of lenticular artefacts in the sky.

[Micael]

Here's a question: Is this just happening to us or do the Russians, Chinese, etc have sightings of there. If they do, odds are we know about it but won't say because of collection methods.

It appears as if similar sightings are taking place in other locations in the world, including such ones that lie within the Chinese and Russian spheres. So, I do suspect that those countries are at least aware of ”something odd” going on. Perhaps they attribute them to some exotic US tech spying on them, perhaps not.

[Micael]

A banal observation is that most of the reported shapes are elliptical in profile, like raindrops on a windscreen or any number of lenticular artefacts in the sky.

Such mundane explanations are likely for many of the unvetted/unfiltered observations that pop up. Some of them are very easy to dismiss with just a glance and a couple of brain cells. But there are a fair amount of observations that ”we” are stumped by. Not to say that it can’t be a mundane/natural cause behind them, but at least we are unable to figure out what that could be. Especially when you have stuff that is caught on visual spectrum video, infrared, and radars all at once and exhibit seemingly physics defying behavior. That’s when we’re really scratching our heads. The only real ”non-exotic” explanation left then is some intentional misinformation by a larger group of individuals, that are manufacturing false data in a very elaborate fashion. That’s something I personally can’t entirely rule out yet, but I’m starting to gradually lean away from that as a likely explanation as more data and testimony keeps getting added to the pile.

[Micael]

So Dr. Kosloski, the current head of the AARO, did a press briefing. He seems to be a lot more useful individual than his predecessor, who seemed hell bent on convincing everyone that UAPs weren’t real without much evidence to back it up.

I think that this in particular stands out from the briefing:

Q: Thank you. Brad Dress, for The Hill. Have you found anything that might be a breakthrough technology? I know you’re saying you don’t know if there are breakthroughs yet, but something that might be a breakthrough technology near the military sites, some of those sightings you’ve seen near the military sites, have you found anything that might be that? Or are they all just been drones and UAS?

DR. KOSLOSKI: It’s definitely not all just drones and UAS. So we have several particularly interesting cases. We’re working on within the office, working with our partners to downgrade several of those cases, so we can talk about them publicly. But there are interesting cases that I, with my physics and engineering background and time in the IC, I do not understand. And I don’t know anybody else who understands them either.

Q: But those near military sites and facilities?

DR. KOSLOSKI: Until we get the information approved for release, I’d rather not say where those sightings were, but definitely interesting sightings.

Full briefing transcript: https://www.theblackvault.com/documenta ... e_vignette

That someone with the CV listed below is saying that there are cases which he can’t understand is interesting.

Dr. Jon T. Kosloski serves as the Director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). Prior to that, Dr. Kosloski held technical and leadership positions within the Research Directorate of the National Security Agency (NSA). In that capacity, he led advanced mission-oriented research in the fields of networking and computing, and served as a subject matter expert in the area of Free Space Optics, advising various DoD agencies. In addition to his optics research and crypto-mathematics, Dr. Kosloski invented an advanced language-agnostic search engine and served at the DoD Special Communications Enterprise Office.

Dr. Kosloski received Bachelor’s degrees in Mathematics and Physics from California State University, San Bernardino, and a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering from Johns Hopkins University. The focus of his Doctoral research was the invention of novel devices that leverage principles from quantum optics to receive very weak phase-encoded signals. After completing the theoretical analysis of two new optical receiver designs, Dr. Kosloski worked with scientists from the National Institute of Standards and Technology to demonstrate the abilities of his designs to achieve record sensitivities. Dr. Kosloski is also a graduate from NSA’s Cryptanalysis Development Program.

[Micael]

Bit interesting that they gave them this.

[Micael]

The NSA doesn’t want to confirm nor deny that Immaculate Constellation exist.

[Micael]

If you do want to dip your toes in a rabbit hole, there is an interesting memo that was apparently found among the belongings of apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell after he passed away in 2016. It appears to document a 2002 meeting featuring then DIA director VADM Tom Wilson in which he elaborates on how he essentially stumbled onto a secret advanced craft reverse engineering effort, but was denied detailed access and insight into it:
https://imgur.com/a/ggIFTfQ

Wilson has since the memo appeared on the internet denied ever meeting with Eric Davis, who ostensibly wrote the memo. Davis has declined to confirm the authenticity of the memo citing his security clearance.

[Micael]

And just in, very interesting ATC recording of multiple commercial aircraft reporting multiple weird high altitude, very high speed objects in Oregon by the coast on December 7th/8th. Also some mobile phone video attached in the thread:
https://x.com/kosherrrrr/status/1866634 ... 68987?s=46

“All altitudes. Up and down. It’s pretty crazy.”
“Red circular shape.”
“Extreme speeds, I don’t even know how to describe how fast it’s moving.”

[Micael]

And an article concerning the above post:

Pilot Encountered Mystery Objects 'Moving at Extreme Speed': FAA - Newsweek
The Federal Aviation Authroity (FAA) has confirmed to Newsweek that a pilot reported "unidentified lights" while flying near Eugene, Oregon, last Saturday.

It comes after an audio recording surfaced of communication between two pilots and air traffic control, with the controller telling one to "maneuver as necessary left and right to avoid the UFO out there."

The pilots, reported seeing unidentified red, circular lights and objects moving erratically toward the ocean and returning at various altitudes, with one saying the objects moved in corkscrew patterns and at extreme speeds.

When asked to verify the recording by Newsweek, a spokesperson for the FAA said, "a pilot reported seeing unidentified lights while flying in Seattle Air Route Traffic Control Center airspace on Saturday, December 7."

UFO
The night sky over the coast, Arch Rock, Oregon, and inset, a stock image of a UFO. The Federal Aviation Authroity (FAA) has confirmed to Newsweek that a pilot reported "unidentified lights" while flying near... Bjorn Bakstad/Getty Images
In the 44-minute recording, which was posted to social media on Sunday, a United Airlines pilot, flying over Willamette national forest told air traffic control, "Looking straight west to Eugene. We're seeing 3 or 4 targets... they're at all altitudes, up and down, it's pretty crazy."

United Airlines and LiveATC.net, the website which hosted the recording, declined to comment.

Another pilot, flying a medical evacuation plane over Siuslaw National Forest, told the controller, "just had another one show up, at my 1 o'clock, about 1,000 feet high, zipping towards us and then back out towards the ocean. Red in color. Moving at extreme speed, I just don't know how to describe it."

The controller replied: "Roger. You are clear to maneuver as necessary left and right to avoid the UFO out there. And uh, all of the reports you're giving us are good information, appreciate it."

The pilot later continued, "It's weird. It's a red circular shape, and it keeps zipping out towards the ocean and then coming back in about 20 miles or closer to us, and then zips back out to the ocean and we can't see it."

The FAA said it documents Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) sightings whenever a pilot reports one to an air traffic control facility. If supporting information such as radar data corroborates the report, the FAA shares it with the UAP Task Force, which was established in 2020.

Mystery Drone Sightings in New Jersey

The UFO reports in Oregon follow mysterious drone sightings in New Jersey and, more recently, in New York, that are currently under investigation by the FBI.

During a Tuesday hearing on drone threats to homeland security, several members of Congress questioned how the FBI could have so few answers more than a month after drones were first reported, with some seen in the skies over sensitive military sites.

The session raised more questions than answers with regards to the spate of sightings of unidentified drones and other objects over the U.S., whose origin and purpose remain unknown. The phenomenon has fueled rumors and speculation, including about crash sites, clocks changing time and even extra-terrestrial involvement.

[Micael]

So the Eric W. Davis figuring in the supposed memo linked above is an interesting figure. He is an astrophysicist and has been involved in this whole UAP scene for quite some time it seems. He was a part of AWSAP/AATIP (the SAP with congressional support that studied these things from 2007 before being shut down 2012), and he has made some certainly bold claims.

He claims that he got some insider information regarding the existence of recovered advanced ”exotic” materials in US government possession during the program’s tenure. That is referring to things recovered from UAP crashes. However unlike the claims of some in the UFO/UAP community he says that there is no such thing as an ”alien reproduction vehicle” (ARV), that is to say a reversed engineered UAP craft operated by the government. The simple reason for that he says is that despite a multi-decade reverse engineering effort no progress was ever made. Or atleast not by 2012 when AAWSAP ended. He specifies that there was an older clandestine reverse engineering program operated by the CIA but that he was told it was shut down in 1989 due to the lack of progress. A seemingly more modest effort have been running since then by way of one or more private contractor firms on behalf of the government.

Truth or fiction, I don’t know. But I do think it’s interesting to hear what people who were on the inside and working on these matters have to say, people who might have been in a position to gain some actual insight into what’s what. Even if it’s hard to just take their word for it.

[Micael]

So let’s have a brief look at what US presidents have said about the subject, and what they reportedly knew.

First off there’s been claims by several people that presidents since at least the 60’s aren’t routinely briefed on the topic. If they push hard enough they may get a briefing, but the extent of it varies and that seems to be based on how trustworthy/cooperative the people doing the briefings deem the president in question. Several people have claimed that there has for a long time existed an informal group of people within the government usually referred to as the ”Collin Elite” which is deeply religious and that these people believe that UFOs/aliens are both real and that they are demonic in nature. Supposedly they as a result believe that revealing information about them to the public would somehow enable their demonic plans, and therefore work against disclosure, including informing presidents that they deem aren’t in line with their religious views on the matter. Lue Elizondo has stated that he thought it was a myth until an intel community figure whom he describes as a mentor to him took him aside after he became involved with AAWSAP/AATIP and told him that ”we already know what these are”, that UAPs are demons and threatening him, telling him to stop looking into the matter or unspoken consequences could follow.

The president in recent decades that have been claimed to have been privy to the most details is George HW Bush. He made some eyebrows raise in 2015 when he was doing a fundraiser for Jeb:

During the fundraiser, a man in the crowd raised a strange question which led to an even more surprising response by the former president and CIA director. The man asked George Bush Sr when the US government would tell Americans the truth about UFOs, to which he responded: “Americans can’t handle the truth” before the questioning was briefly halted by organizers of the event.

The man that asked the question has been identified as Adam Guelch, an active member of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), which credits itself as being the world’s oldest and largest UFO phenomenon investigative body
Oddly enough, it is not the first time George Bush Sr has had a controversial opinion on the UFO subject as a similar incident occurred on March 7, 1988, during a trip to a George Bush for President Rally in Rogers, Arkansas.

The to-be president was then asked, in the advent that he became president, if he would tell Americans the truth about the existence of UFOs, to which Bush replied: “I am very careful in public life about dealing with classified information” he told the reporter.

James Adder, journalist for the Arkansas Globe at the time, also asked about Bush’s knowledge about the UFO phenomena, on behalf of which Bush answered: ” I know some. I know a fair amount” before ending the interview.

The presumption is that he was briefed in some detail during his stint as CIA director. That stint also ties into another president and what he supposedly knew. Jimmy Carter woved to disclose the truth about UFOs during his campaign, and once elected but prior to inauguration it is claimed that he asked Bush to be briefed on the topic, only to be rebuffed and told that he didn’t have a need to know. Once in office Carter kept pushing to be briefed and eventually the briefing took place. Exactly what was said during the briefing is unclear, as there are multiple stories going around. Apparently a presidential aide came in to see Carter after the briefing and found him sobbing. He did not know what had been said to have caused it though. What is clear is that Carter then declined to disclose information about the UFO issue citing potential national security issues.

Reagan was certainly a believer in the phenomenon, but it seems to be unclear how extensively he was briefed, or even at all. He supposedly made a handshake deal with Gorbachev to ally in the event of an alien invasion, according to Gorbachev anyway:

Shultz was talking about the Lake Geneva summit and mentioned the two leaders ducked out of a meeting to take a walk to a nearby cabin.
"I wasn't there...," Shultz said before Gorbachev cut him off.
"From the fireside house, President Reagan suddenly said to me, 'What would you do if the United States were suddenly attacked by someone from outer space? Would you help us?'
"I said, 'No doubt about it.'"
"He said, 'We too.'"
"So that's interesting," Gorbachev said to much laughter.

But that could have just stemmed from his personal belief in the phenomenon.

Clinton reportedly tried to get briefed and expressed interest in public but it is said that he never was. Something that jives with his later public statements to the effect that if they’re real he wasn’t told about it.

George W Bush appears to have been briefed, him later deflecting when asked and saying that he can’t talk about classified stuff suggests that he was told something at least.

In 2020 Obama also alluded to not being able to talk about it on account of it being classified:

When one becomes president, they’re privy to pretty much everything. But all anyone really wants to know about are aliens and UFOs. Barack Obama was no exception.
On Monday’s “Late Show,” the former president of the United States told Stephen Colbert that he “certainly asked about” their existence.


“And?” the CBS host pressed.

“Can’t tell you,” the former president responded.

Colbert took that as a definitive “Yes.”

“Because if there was none you’d say there was none, right?” Colbert goaded his guest. “You just played your hand. I thought you were a poker player. You just 100% showed your river card.”

“Feel free to think that,” Obama replied.

“I will,” the late-night leader said.

Trump has also at times given some interesting comments:

Trump also suggested he knew more about the topic than he was saying publicly in an interview with his son Donald Trump Jr. Referring to the alleged UFO incident at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, he said: "I won't talk to you about what I know about it, but it's very interesting."

It’s interesting, inconclusive, but interesting.

[Micael]

And here’s something interesting, Ross Coulthart explains in a video how Nat Kobitz, once director of the US Navy Sciene & Technology division and many other things, confirmed to him that he’d been read into a UFO retrieval and reverse engineering program, and that multiple craft had been recovered. Coulthart explains that Kobitz was dying at the time and didn’t seem to think that he had anything left to lose, and he passed away a few months later at age 92.

Video: https://x.com/theprojectunity/status/18 ... 65444?s=46

[Micael]

I think that in light of everything going on it might be worth pointing out a series of comments made by Ben Rich, second director of Skunk Works from 1975-1991, already in the 80’s and 90’s. At the time they did get a little bit of attention but seems like they were quickly largely forgotten. It’s possible that there’s some substance here.

"We did the F-104, C-130, U2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about. We are still working very hard, I just can’t tell you what we are doing. (source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home” (source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of GOD to ever get them out to benefit humanity” (source: statement made after UCLA presentation to three Disclosure Project witnesses)

“We now have the technology to take ET back home” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“We now know how to travel to the stars” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”. (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There are many in the intelligence community who would like to see this stay in the black, and not see the light of day” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty (50) years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort” (Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)

“Dear John, Yes, I’m a believer in both categories. Feel anything is possible. Many of our man-made UFO’s were Un Funded Opportunities. In both categories, there are a-lot of books and charlatans, be careful. Best regards, Ben Rich”. (source: 7/21/86 letter to John Andrews (Testors model Corporation) from Ben Rich who asked Ben if he was a believer in A) man made UFO’S, and B) extra-terrestrial UFO’s)

“We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertising. There are some new programs, and there are certain things-some of them 20 or 30 years old-that are still break-throughs and appropriate to keep quiet about. Other people don’t have them yet. (source: statement made by Ben Rich to Stuart F. Brown in an interview published in Popular Science October 1994)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”. (source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)