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If you make a red wine reduction with bacon drippings instead of butter, is it ok to refer to it as “Redneck Bordelaise”?

I'd go so far as to say it's not OK to refer to it as anything else

lol!

There's probably an official French term for it, given that their version of the Bordelaise sauce is made with bone marrow as well as the butter. Lots of recipes out there switching bacon fat and butter over, but I'm not quite fluent enough to search in French.

Whilst it isn’t really my area of cooking, not liking wine or French stuff, that would likely just be a bordelaise.

https://johanjohansen.dk/2018/11/29/sau ... ine-sauce/

The original, as far as can be traced, receipt utilised bone marrow by itself rather than butter. Chucking in bacon isn’t anything really outlandish or particularly American.

I’d be inclined for a jus.

If you can make it shiny enough you may even stretch to a gel

Drunknsubmrnr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:08 pm If you make a red wine reduction with bacon drippings instead of butter, is it ok to refer to it as “Redneck Bordelaise”?

Remember that heritage recipes are mostly not writ in stone, with exceptions for a few on clay tablets. They are generally just list of ingredients, and sometimes an order and way of combining them. They mostly did not have quantities and except for a few nameplate items, the ingredients changed from season to season and from village to village. While European cookbooks started becoming known (and surviving) int he 13th century, it wasn't until the 17th and 18th that they really became widespread and the recipes started to become codified.

So a Bordelaise sauce is just a reduction of a Bordeaux red wine, with some seasonings, and thickened with a fat and flour roux. More originally, the fat used was probably something like "whatever we have on hand" and it was only later that snobby purists who couldn't stand to hear their favorite historical documentarian chefs maligned declare, "So it is written, so is how it must be."

So if it's bacon, it's a bordelaise. If it's yak butter, it's a bordelaise. If it's chicken fat, it's a bordelaise. If it's seal fat, it's a bordelaise. But don't use the polar bear fat, I think it would impart an undesired flavor.

You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

Belushi,

Very true - the Franklin Expedition tried eating polar bears, and the vitamin A overload resulted in crippling headaches that laid them out for up to a day at a time.

Mike

MikeKozlowski wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:57 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

Belushi,

Very true - the Franklin Expedition tried eating polar bears, and the vitamin A overload resulted in crippling headaches that laid them out for up to a day at a time.

Mike

That's primarily the polar bear liver, which is known in all mammals to have high concentrations of Vitamin A and is especially high in polar bears. The meat and fat can be eaten, but there is the risk of trichinosis.

kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 4:54 pm

MikeKozlowski wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 3:57 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

Belushi,

Very true - the Franklin Expedition tried eating polar bears, and the vitamin A overload resulted in crippling headaches that laid them out for up to a day at a time.

Mike

That's primarily the polar bear liver, which is known in all mammals to have high concentrations of Vitamin A and is especially high in polar bears. The meat and fat can be eaten, but there is the risk of trichinosis.

kdahm,

Thanks - those poor so and sos really couldn't catch a break.

Mike

jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:18 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

I fully expect people on this board to either have gone polar bear hunting, plan to go polar bear hunting, or are actively polar bear hunting right now.

I do not, however, think anyone would slay a polar bear JUST to make a reduction. The reduction might be a happy side effect, but it wouldn't be the primary reason.

Belushi TD

I do not, however, think anyone would slay a polar bear JUST to make a reduction. The reduction might be a happy side effect, but it wouldn't be the primary reason.

Alright Alright !
I get it, Polar Bear bad for you.

I guess I'll just have to kill a ordinary bear for the fat.
Dammit.

About 30 years ago, my brother-in-law was thinking about going to Canada to hunt black bear with bow and arrow. I told him I'd take the bear if he can me ten points.

He never went.

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:31 pm

jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:18 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

I fully expect people on this board to either have gone polar bear hunting, plan to go polar bear hunting, or are actively polar bear hunting right now.

I do not, however, think anyone would slay a polar bear JUST to make a reduction. The reduction might be a happy side effect, but it wouldn't be the primary reason.

Belushi TD

People on this board may have gone out to hunt polar bear, but given that we <tend> towards “There is no kill like overkill”, they may have ended up with half a ton of diced/ minced polar bear by the time they’d lost the sight picture.

Craiglxviii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:42 am

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:31 pm

jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:18 pm

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

I fully expect people on this board to either have gone polar bear hunting, plan to go polar bear hunting, or are actively polar bear hunting right now.

I do not, however, think anyone would slay a polar bear JUST to make a reduction. The reduction might be a happy side effect, but it wouldn't be the primary reason.

Belushi TD

People on this board may have gone out to hunt polar bear, but given that we <tend> towards “There is no kill like overkill”, they may have ended up with half a ton of diced/ minced polar bear by the time they’d lost the sight picture.

Saves on prep time.

Belushi TD

jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:18 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

Near Soviet Russia, polar bear hunts YOU.

Drunknsubmrnr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:39 pm

jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:18 pm

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:14 pm You may want to be very careful with polar bear fat, as they can build up enough vitamin A that, in extreme cases, can be dangerous for humans.

Belushi TD

P. S. Not that I actually think anyone here was going to go out and slay a polar bear to make a reduction. I just wanted to flex my trivia knowledge.

With this group, going polar bear hunting would be considered normal activity.

Near Soviet Russia, polar bear hunts YOU.

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How are they getting the sub back to the den for the cubs?

You bring the cubs to the boat. Although I don’t like being the delicious soft creamy filling. Makes me feel like Nightwatch and the other people on the HVU.