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UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 am
by Timbo W
Hi all,
I'm no believer in the woo, nor completely closed minded.
What are your opinions on the US House oversight committee hearings on UAPs/UFOs coming up in July?
Would you agree the current general story is that 'something is up' but nobody is really sure what it is? (Or at least if more is known, it's not for the likes of civilians to know).
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:23 am
by kdahm
I applaud the US House Oversight Committee's dedication to wasting time and money by holding these hearings. It's very important, should be taken seriously, and is a perfect way to distract everyone while doing nothing. Most importantly, there are a bunch of House members and their staff who are spending time doing this instead of using it for something else like attempting something meaningful.
In other words, the more time the US legislature debates whether July 28th should be named National Moonpie Day, the less time they have to screw something else up.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:29 am
by PLB
Great example of why this country is $32 trillion in debt.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:05 pm
by Timbo W
So the White House is lying when they say these phenomena are interfering with military training? Seems an odd thing to make up.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:11 pm
by Calder
Timbo W wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 am
Hi all,
I'm no believer in the woo, nor completely closed minded.
What are your opinions on the US House oversight committee hearings on UAPs/UFOs coming up in July?
Would you agree the current general story is that 'something is up' but nobody is really sure what it is? (Or at least if more is known, it's not for the likes of civilians to know).
I will admit that for the most part, I am not a believer in conspiracy theories and more on the let's call it "prove it" part of the spectrum. Before the military came out and showed their videos I didn't believe in UFOs. (Why would they travel so far just to come here and probe cattle or make stupid crop circles? We just aren't that special.)
I don't know what to think about this as I don't see the military admitting this information as I don't see a benefit for them. I do agree that almost all of the congressional investigations have been a giant waste of money regardless of which party does them.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:14 pm
by Timbo W
Anyone catch this today?
My impression was that the committee took this seriously and will proceed to dig into the subject in closed hearings.
Whether or when we get to find out anything I don't know.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:12 pm
by Micael
Timbo W wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:14 pm
Anyone catch this today?
My impression was that the committee took this seriously and will proceed to dig into the subject in closed hearings.
Whether or when we get to find out anything I don't know.
I saw some snippets. That David Grusch fellow is interesting. Not so sure how seriously he should be taken, though he did state before the committee various things indicating extra-terrestrial activity on earth, and suggested that there’d been hostile activity, and more.
Again, not so sure that he should be taken seriously, but it is at least interesting that he’s before a congressional committee making these claims.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:35 pm
by jemhouston
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:15 pm
by Timbo W
On this forum I'm never sure if it's healthy scepticism or you're all read in to MJ-12
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:32 pm
by jemhouston
Timbo W wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:15 pm
On this forum I'm never sure if it's healthy skepticism or you're all read in to MJ-12
Yes
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:18 pm
by Micael
A lot of interesting stuff going around now. One thing that might have some substance behind it (note: might), is some recent claims that seems to have come from more than one person is that the now famous ”tic-tac” UAP is actually a Lockheed Martin created object. Also parallell claims that the triangular shaped objects that have been spotted at times are created by Raytheon. The primary sources here are claimed to be military.
Can’t be proven at this point of course, but amidst all the claims of extra-terrestrial stuff, this is one claim I personally find a bit easier to be less sceptical to (wording this carefully.)
I know we touched on this years ago when discussing the matter, but what do we all think today of the possibility that at least some of these UAP observations being very black (man-made) projects?
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:05 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
Micael wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:18 pm
A lot of interesting stuff going around now. One thing that might have some substance behind it (note: might), is some recent claims that seems to have come from more than one person is that the now famous ”tic-tac” UAP is actually a Lockheed Martin created object. Also parallell claims that the triangular shaped objects that have been spotted at times are created by Raytheon. The primary sources here are claimed to be military.
Can’t be proven at this point of course, but amidst all the claims of extra-terrestrial stuff, this is one claim I personally find a bit easier to be less sceptical to (wording this carefully.)
I know we touched on this years ago when discussing the matter, but what do we all think today of the possibility that at least some of these UAP observations being very black (man-made) projects?
0<p<1. Logically it would make a very good cover.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:53 am
by Micael
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:05 pm
Micael wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:18 pm
A lot of interesting stuff going around now. One thing that might have some substance behind it (note: might), is some recent claims that seems to have come from more than one person is that the now famous ”tic-tac” UAP is actually a Lockheed Martin created object. Also parallell claims that the triangular shaped objects that have been spotted at times are created by Raytheon. The primary sources here are claimed to be military.
Can’t be proven at this point of course, but amidst all the claims of extra-terrestrial stuff, this is one claim I personally find a bit easier to be less sceptical to (wording this carefully.)
I know we touched on this years ago when discussing the matter, but what do we all think today of the possibility that at least some of these UAP observations being very black (man-made) projects?
0<p<1. Logically it would make a very good cover.
”Extra-terrestrial” stuff covering black projects, or ”black projects” covering extra-terrestrial stuff?
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:57 am
by Micael
In this soup of extremely controversial opinions and conspiracy theories with or without substance, why am I not surprised that Marjorie Taylor Greene was the one to up the weirdness factor?
Marjorie Taylor Greene: “…I think that to me, honestly – I’ve looked into it. And I think we have to question if it’s more of the spiritual realm. Angels, or fallen angels. And that’s my honest opinion.”
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:06 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
Micael wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:53 am
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:05 pm
Micael wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:18 pm
A lot of interesting stuff going around now. One thing that might have some substance behind it (note: might), is some recent claims that seems to have come from more than one person is that the now famous ”tic-tac” UAP is actually a Lockheed Martin created object. Also parallell claims that the triangular shaped objects that have been spotted at times are created by Raytheon. The primary sources here are claimed to be military.
Can’t be proven at this point of course, but amidst all the claims of extra-terrestrial stuff, this is one claim I personally find a bit easier to be less sceptical to (wording this carefully.)
I know we touched on this years ago when discussing the matter, but what do we all think today of the possibility that at least some of these UAP observations being very black (man-made) projects?
0<p<1. Logically it would make a very good cover.
”Extra-terrestrial” stuff covering black projects, or ”black projects” covering extra-terrestrial stuff?
¿Por qué no los dos?
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:49 pm
by Micael
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:06 pm
Micael wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:53 am
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:05 pm
0<p<1. Logically it would make a very good cover.
”Extra-terrestrial” stuff covering black projects, or ”black projects” covering extra-terrestrial stuff?
¿Por qué no los dos?
C’est vrai!
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:26 am
by Micael
I’ve had time to review the full hearing now, plus go through some additional related material.
Some takeaways:
1. The two USN aviators, Fravor and Graves, I deem credible. For instance Fravor weren’t alone, had multiple other people that observed objects visually and on FLIR (tic-tac video), and also via the radar systems of the Nimitz, the Princeton, and an E-2. Fravor explained (as he has before in public) that the acceleration, speed and maneuverability performance of the object was far beyond anything the US or anyone else has got (as far as is known) or will have in the next 10-20 years at least. He also assessed that the object, by ways of movement, violated the laws of physics as we understand them today. He also pointed out that he and the five (I think it was) other people who visually observed this have all retired or will retire at the O-5 or O-6 level and have to be considered as a reliable group of witnesses. I am force to concur with that. The only way I see it for this not to be something real, human or non-human origin, would be for them having all agreed to act out this for some unknown pressing national security reason. I don’t believe that a group of officers like that would have cooked up this for shits and giggles and taken it all the way to a congressional hearing under oath.
2. Grusch stands out here as his claims are much wider (wilder) and more specific, but also that his background could conceivably allow for him to have gained knowledge on such matters, if they are true. (See: ” David Charles Grusch was a decorated combat officer within the USAF during the War in Afghanistan and is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).[2][3] From 2019 to 2021, he was the representative of the NRO to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.[4][5] From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the co-lead for UAP analysis at the NGA and its representative to the task force.[1]”.) He was quite adamant that he was made aware of, in an official capacity, among other things black programs that aim to reverse engineer technology from recovered non-human craft. That ”non-human biologics” were recovered from some of those crafts, that funding for these unauthorized black programs is siphoned off from authorized Special Access Programs and other defense contracts. Plus various other stuff. Wild indeed. An additional way he differs from Fravor and Graves is that in his case it is conceivable, albeit a bit unlikely I would say, that some forces at work have spun together a very elaborate set of deception for his benefit (and perhaps others) in other to hide something else. Since he hasn’t personally observed craft doing ”beyond physics” stuff and such. Albeit he did indirectly confirm that he’d seen recovered craft personally, though that could also conceivable have been faked by elaborate theatrics. So he’s a bit more of an uncertainty so far.
3. It’s compelling, all of it. I wouldn’t say that I’ve fully made up my mind on exactly what this is, but I’m more firmly starting to be of the opinion that there’s something of substance here. Something worth getting to the bottom of.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:16 am
by Nightwatch2
Thanks for the summary. Very much appreciated.
I don’t know what to make of it all. It is beyond belief but impossible to explain or ignore.
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:10 am
by Micael
Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:16 am
Thanks for the summary. Very much appreciated.
I don’t know what to make of it all. It is beyond belief but impossible to explain or ignore.
Agreed. If this is indeed real it is also of extreme importance. It was stressed repeatedly by all three participants that we do not possess any weapons technology that would be able to defend against craft like this if they were hostile.
There is something I would be interested in hearing your opinion on. Fravor explained that the ”tic-tac” had a lenght of approx. 40 feet, that radar systems on the Nimitz, the Princeton and an E-2 along with a Super Hornet were able to detect it, but the legacy Hornets did not see it on their radars. Do you think that that points to a generally low-RCS object or that there’s some other explanation for it, such as something having to do with frequencies? That it’s absorbing certain frequencies more than others?
Re: UAP hearing July 26th
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:28 am
by Micael
Here’s one take on the hearings:
UFOs are the story of the century — wake up, America!
Last week, I had a front-row seat at the hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee’s Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), also known as UFOs. The three witnesses provided extraordinary testimony on their observations of aerial craft with performance characteristics far beyond those of modern aircraft, as well as knowledge of a hidden U.S. government crash retrieval program of such vehicles and their nonhuman operators.
The witnesses were former officers in the U.S. military with stellar service records. Their message to Congress was that we are not alone, we possess technology unlike anything available in the public or private sectors, and the U.S. government has covered up this earth-shattering information for decades.
So how has our society responded? To quote an assessment in Forbes, “the internet shrugged.” After some brief reporting by the major news networks, they returned their attention to nearly full-time coverage of the dismal legal landscapes surrounding Hunter Biden and Donald Trump.
Perhaps the era of fake news has desensitized the public to remarkable revelations like these, so I feel compelled to share my perspective to shed light on their validity and implications.
As a retired U.S. Navy flag officer, I can attest to the integrity and authenticity of the two pilots who testified: retired Commander David Fravor and Ryan Graves. I have served on three aircraft carriers and count many Naval aviators as close friends. These two witnesses are the real deal.
So is David Grusch. As a Navy information warfare officer, I worked closely with the intelligence community and Grusch’s former command, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I too have been read into special access programs, and I understand how Department of Defense classification systems and authorities work. His testimony is 100 percent credible.
It may take time for society to come to grips with this historic hearing, but we will be best served by immediately responding as follows:
1) The U.S. Congress should continue to demand the Department of Defense and intelligence community disclose UAP information, data, and materials to the public. The House Select Committee that Reps. Tim Burchett, Matt Gaetz, Anna Paulina Luna, and Jared Moskowitz recently requested Speaker Kevin McCarthy establish can do this by further investigating the UAP cover-up described at the hearing and drafting legislation that directs disclosure. While specific technical characteristics regarding the materials and acquisition of data may require that they remaining classified, UAP should be included in other efforts by the Defense Department to solve the U.S. government’s over-classification problem.
2) The U.S. government should show leadership in international scientific studies of UAP. San Marino is proposing Project Titan to the United Nations secretary-general for this purpose. While the witnesses at the hearing highlighted the national security concerns that UAP represent, there is a global security issue as well. Not only do we lack technical data regarding their occurrence, we need to understand where they come from, who controls them, and what their intentions are. Advancing our understanding of these phenomena can reinforce international alliances and be used as leverage in resolving disputes. As the world leader in 20th century breakthroughs of nuclear power, information technology, and human exploration of the ocean and space, the U.S. has the opportunity to lead in a field with potentially more impact than any before it.
3) The U.S. research community should significantly expand the scientific study of UAP. With more disclosure and international engagement, U.S. national labs, in partnership with American universities and research institutions, can lead an effort to transform our understanding of physics and the universe. Several U.S. research institutions are already making remarkable progress, including Harvard University’s Galileo Project and Stanford University’s Nolan Lab. Based on the observed flight characteristics detailed in the hearing, the results of this endeavor could make the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries look like baby steps, with wide-ranging benefits in areas as diverse as transportation safety, agricultural productivity, energy efficiency, environmental stewardship and human health.
Our tiny planet orbits a relatively medium-sized star, in a galaxy of over 100 billion stars, among a distribution of several hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe. How arrogant to believe we are the only species that has developed a means for travel between celestial bodies. Now that we are finding out otherwise, we must demand disclosure of what the government knows. Instead of staying asleep at the wheel, we should wake up as a society for the safety, security, and scientific advantages that can be gained.
Rear Admiral (ret.) Tim Gallaudet, Ph.D., is the CEO of Ocean STL Consulting, LLC , a research affiliate with Harvard University’s Galileo Project, and a member of the advisory board of Americans for Safe Aerospace. He is a former acting and deputy administrator at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), acting undersecretary and assistant secretary of Commerce, and oceanographer in the Navy.
