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Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:45 pm

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:03 pm

jemhouston wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:03 am

No we couldn't. USN can't have nice things.

Sadly

At this point we’d be a lot better off canceling the Constellation program and firing everyone involved.

Then go out and contract with the various foreign shipyards that are building modern frigates and accepting them as is with the only “modifications” being the translated documents to American English.

We’d at least get some hulls in the water.

It’s not that simple, as you know. Sensors, comms equipment, guns, etc also need translation to US kit. But that’s not the problem with CONSTELLATION.

It’s that the Navy and the US designers keep playing with the design as the poor shipyards are trying to build the damn things.

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:27 pm

Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:45 pm

It’s not that simple, as you know. Sensors, comms equipment, guns, etc also need translation to US kit. But that’s not the problem with CONSTELLATION.

It’s that the Navy and the US designers keep playing with the design as the poor shipyards are trying to build the damn things.

Aware of that. A certain degree of sarcasm combined with disgusted frustration.

It was supposed to be something like 85% common and 15% USN unique. They have managed to flip those percentages and still going downhill.

I can see some of those changes but they might as well started from a clean sheet as far as they have screwed this up.

At the rate they’re going, we could contract with a PLA shipyard and be better off. (Sarcasm) we need a Sarcasm button….

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:05 pm

Lordroel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:42 am

Poohbah wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:04 am

Me too, Constellation, me too.

Seems we can upgrade it to destroyer as the Constellation frigate now has nearly the same displacement as a Flight I Arleigh Burke destroyer.

Really?

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Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 8:06 am You could have had the Type 26 you know.

@HaddaClu
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Neat vid.
As an interesting side note - the US naval vessels tend to have more watertight hatches than their foreign counterparts. This was cited in a report as one of the reasons why the new Constellation Frigates are overweight from the original source design.
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Official Biography - Admiral Daryl Caudl

Adm. Daryl Caudle is a native of Winston-Salem, North Carolina and a 1985 graduate of North Carolina State University (magna cum laude) with a degree in chemical engineering. He was then commissioned after attending Officer Candidate School in Newport, Rhode Island. Caudle holds advanced degrees from the Naval Postgraduate School, Master of Science (distinction) in Physics; from Old Dominion University, and Master of Science in Engineering Management. He also attended the School of Advanced Studies, University of Phoenix, where he obtained a Doctor of Management in Organizational Leadership with a specialization in Information Systems and Technology.

His doctoral dissertation research was conducted on military decision making uncertainty regarding the use of force in cyberspace. He is also a licensed professional engineer.

He assumed command of U.S. Fleet Forces Command; U.S. Naval Forces Northern Command; U.S. Naval Forces Strategic Command; and U.S. Strategic Command Joint Force Maritime Component Commander on December 7, 2021.

Prior to this assignment, he served as commander, Submarine Forces; commander, Submarine Force Atlantic; commander, Task Force (CTF) 114, CTF 88, and CTF 46; and commander, Allied Submarine Command.

His other flag assignments include deputy chief for security cooperation, Office of the Defense Representative, Pakistan; deputy commander, Joint Functional Component Command-Global Strike; deputy commander, U.S. 6th Fleet; director of operations U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa; commander, Submarine Group Eight; commander, Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet; and vice director for Strategy, Plans, and Policy on the Joint Staff (J-5) in Washington, D.C.

His early sea tours included assignments as division officer, USS George Washington Carver (SSBN 656G); engineer, USS Stonewall Jackson (SSN 634B); engineer, USS Sand Lance (SSN 660); and executive officer of USS Montpelier (SSN 765).

Caudle's first command assignment was as commanding officer of USS Jefferson City (SSN 759). As deputy commander, Submarine Squadron 11, he served as commanding officer of USS Topeka (SSN 754) and USS Helena (SSN 725) due to emergent losses of the normally assigned commanding officers. He also commanded Submarine Squadron 3.

His tours ashore include assignments as assistant force nuclear power officer, Commander Submarine Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet; officer-in-charge of Moored Training Ship (MTS 635); deputy commander of Submarine Squadron 11; assistant deputy director for information and cyberspace policy on the Joint Staff (J-5) in Washington, D.C.; and as chief of staff Commander Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet.

His personal decorations include the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, Defense Superior Service Medal (four awards), Legion of Merit (four Awards), Meritorious Service Medal (Three Awards), Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (five Awards), and the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal (four Awards).

Rocket J Squrriel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:55 pm

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:27 pm

Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:45 pm

It’s not that simple, as you know. Sensors, comms equipment, guns, etc also need translation to US kit. But that’s not the problem with CONSTELLATION.

It’s that the Navy and the US designers keep playing with the design as the poor shipyards are trying to build the damn things.

Aware of that. A certain degree of sarcasm combined with disgusted frustration.

It was supposed to be something like 85% common and 15% USN unique. They have managed to flip those percentages and still going downhill.

I can see some of those changes but they might as well started from a clean sheet as far as they have screwed this up.

At the rate they’re going, we could contract with a PLA shipyard and be better off. (Sarcasm) we need a Sarcasm button….

Makes you wonder if thee 85/15 wasn't the goal all along. Didn't USN have to shoved, nearly at gunpoint, by congress to consider a foreign design? They picked one and promptly redesigned it.

The USN would never purposely go out and do that, right?

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:07 pm So now (snark hat on) the US Navy can’t even build a turnkey frigate after having the plans handed to them. (Snark off)

So now what?

Perhaps something similar to the old Lend Lease program where we lease someone else’s old ships in exchange for tariff relief….

kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:46 pm

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:07 pm So now (snark hat on) the US Navy can’t even build a turnkey frigate after having the plans handed to them. (Snark off)

So now what?

Perhaps something similar to the old Lend Lease program where we lease someone else’s old ships in exchange for tariff relief….

And the shipyard owned by the original constructors of the thing, so there are much fewer management problems between the shipyards.

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:26 pm

kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:46 pm

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:07 pm So now (snark hat on) the US Navy can’t even build a turnkey frigate after having the plans handed to them. (Snark off)

So now what?

Perhaps something similar to the old Lend Lease program where we lease someone else’s old ships in exchange for tariff relief….

And the shipyard owned by the original constructors of the thing, so there are much fewer management problems between the shipyards.

In this case it wasn’t the shipyard’s fault. It was all the changes to the design made by the Navy. The requirements were changed and the basic design still isn’t finalized.

Mark this as a complete and utter failure by the Navy

I’m reading into what’s being published that the SecNav (and CNO?) are shifting to unmanned ships. Lots of unmanned ships. That might be the explanation

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:07 pmPerhaps something similar to the old Lend Lease program where we lease someone else’s old ships in exchange for tariff relief….

Pdf27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 6:49 am

Nightwatch2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:07 pmPerhaps something similar to the old Lend Lease program where we lease someone else’s old ships in exchange for tariff relief….

I suspect the only navy who might be interested are the PLAN - for the various allied countries public acceptability of such a deal would be near-zero, while the PLA "selling" old ships to the USN would make for nice propaganda.

Drunknsubmrnr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 4:34 pmIt looks like the current Admin is trying to increase whatever is likely to be available in the short term vs platforms that won’t be available for a long time.

Pdf27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 7:09 pm

Drunknsubmrnr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 4:34 pmIt looks like the current Admin is trying to increase whatever is likely to be available in the short term vs platforms that won’t be available for a long time.

Think they'd be interested in HMS Bristol? Combat-proven and newly available...