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Re: US Navy News
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:35 pm
by Nathan45
At least it's not George Soros...
Yet...
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:27 am
by MikeKozlowski
jemhouston wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:29 pm
No, Hell No.
Absolutely concur. Clinton, no on general principles. Bush was AIR FORCE. You want to honor him, name a Texas ANGB after him.
CDR Sal suggested
Ranger and
Shangri-La, and I wholeheartedly agree.
Mike
I'm talking about both names.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:28 am
by MikeKozlowski
MikeKozlowski wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:27 am
jemhouston wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:29 pm
No, Hell No.
I'm talking about both names.
Absolutely concur. Clinton, no on general principles. Bush was AIR FORCE. You want to honor him, name a Texas ANGB after him.
CDR Sal suggested
Ranger and
Shangri-La, and I wholeheartedly agree.
Mike
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:37 am
by Johnnie Lyle
Um, we already have a GEORGE H. W. BUSH. Talk about creating confusion.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:02 am
by jemhouston
Part of me would like Yorktown since I would like to see Enterprise and Yorktown sailing together again.
He could have picked his friend Senator John McCain.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:30 am
by Johnnie Lyle
jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:02 am
Part of me would like Yorktown since I would like to see Enterprise and Yorktown sailing together again.
He could have picked his friend Senator John McCain.
We already have a JOHN S McCAIN.
HORNET and LEXINGTON should be higher on the list, since we had a YORKTOWN as a TICONDEROGA.
Though I wouldn’t mind another LANGLEY.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:54 am
by kdahm
Looks like it's an effort to get a carrier named after Clinton, with a bone thrown to the R's for the second Bush. Fairly stupid, especially in the waning days of the Biden Presidency.
Since the Biden Administration was perfectly happy to change names of ships in service, how hard do you think it would be for the Trump Administration to change names of ships that haven't even be laid down? Asking for friend.
Also, having a ship named after Pres. Clinton being laid down is problematic on the face of it.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:33 am
by Poohbah
kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:54 am
Looks like it's an effort to get a carrier named after Clinton, with a bone thrown to the R's for the second Bush. Fairly stupid, especially in the waning days of the Biden Presidency.
Since the Biden Administration was perfectly happy to change names of ships in service, how hard do you think it would be for the Trump Administration to change names of ships that haven't even be laid down? Asking for friend.
Also, having a ship named after Pres. Clinton being laid down is problematic on the face of it.
Especially one that has a Hummer det aboard...
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:21 pm
by Belushi TD
kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:54 am
Looks like it's an effort to get a carrier named after Clinton, with a bone thrown to the R's for the second Bush. Fairly stupid, especially in the waning days of the Biden Presidency.
Since the Biden Administration was perfectly happy to change names of ships in service, how hard do you think it would be for the Trump Administration to change names of ships that haven't even be laid down? Asking for friend.
Also, having a ship named after Pres. Clinton being laid down is problematic on the face of it.
Ehhhh.... depends on who's doing the laying.......
Didn't seem to be much of a problem for him while he was in office.
That being said, I agree. Neither one should have a carrier named after them. Not only because of problems, but because YOU DON'T EVER NAME SOMETHING AFTER SOMEONE WHO IS STILL ALIVE!!!!!!
Belushi TD
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:30 am
by Rocket J Squrriel
Could the incoming SecNav rename them? Could he rename the Ford and JFK too? JFK already had his carrier and I don't think he was great enough to get his name on 2.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:58 am
by Johnnie Lyle
Rocket J Squrriel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:30 am
Could the incoming SecNav rename them? Could he rename the Ford and JFK too? JFK already had his carrier and I don't think he was great enough to get his name on 2.
Yes.
JFK has a legacy beyond the president, though. There’s plenty of ships with long histories of unimportant or even objectively stupid names that became something bigger due to the men and women who fought in them and sometimes died in them.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:05 am
by James1978
I'd be inclined to leave the names of ships already in the water alone.
As for CVN-82 and CVN-83, I don't see why not. We've already broken the seal on that one when they renamed Chancellorsville (CG-62).
I'm not even sure CVN-82 and CVN-83 have been authorized yet, let alone ordered, so why the hell not.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:02 am
by Lordroel
The newest Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers will be: USS Ray Mabus (DDG 147); USS Kyle Carpenter (DDG 148); USS Robert R. Ingram (DDG 149). And the newest Constellation-class guided-missile frigate will be USS Everett Alvarez Jr. (FFG 68).
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:12 am
by Johnnie Lyle
Lordroel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:02 am
The newest Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers will be: USS Ray Mabus (DDG 147); USS Kyle Carpenter (DDG 148); USS Robert R. Ingram (DDG 149). And the newest Constellation-class guided-missile frigate will be USS Everett Alvarez Jr. (FFG 68).
Two MoH awardees, a long-term POW. and one SecNav. 75%. Plus Kyle Carpenter is cute. C- for mucking up the naming conventions.
Junk MABUS, rename it for Alvarez, and rename the frigate for one of the other famous USN ships. CERES would be a good choice. So would VARUNA. Or any one of a host of other obscure but valiant ships that fought and maybe died under the Stars and Stripes.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:16 pm
by Poohbah
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:12 am
Lordroel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:02 am
The newest Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers will be: USS Ray Mabus (DDG 147); USS Kyle Carpenter (DDG 148); USS Robert R. Ingram (DDG 149). And the newest Constellation-class guided-missile frigate will be USS Everett Alvarez Jr. (FFG 68).
Two MoH awardees, a long-term POW. and one SecNav. 75%. Plus Kyle Carpenter is cute. C- for mucking up the naming conventions.
Junk MABUS, rename it for Alvarez, and rename the frigate for one of the other famous USN ships. CERES would be a good choice. So would VARUNA. Or any one of a host of other obscure but valiant ships that fought and maybe died under the Stars and Stripes.
We got a
Gambier Bay?
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:18 pm
by Belushi TD
James1978 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:05 am
I'd be inclined to leave the names of ships already in the water alone.
As for CVN-82 and CVN-83, I don't see why not. We've already broken the seal on that one when they renamed
Chancellorsville (CG-62).
I'm not even sure CVN-82 and CVN-83 have been authorized yet, let alone ordered, so why the hell not.
Hell, we broke the seal in the run up to WWII and during the war by renaming carriers after ships that had just died.
Belushi TD
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:24 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
Belushi TD wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:18 pm
James1978 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:05 am
I'd be inclined to leave the names of ships already in the water alone.
As for CVN-82 and CVN-83, I don't see why not. We've already broken the seal on that one when they renamed
Chancellorsville (CG-62).
I'm not even sure CVN-82 and CVN-83 have been authorized yet, let alone ordered, so why the hell not.
Hell, we broke the seal in the run up to WWII and during the war by renaming carriers after ships that had just died.
Belushi TD
As we should. Sink one, a meaner, nastier version comes back to beat enemy ass.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:00 pm
by Belushi TD
Agreed. However, we also changed some names for reasons that don't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.
And, everyone should keep in mind that the US Navy has NEVER stood by its naming conventions. I call your attention to USS Kearsarge, BB-5. Only battleship NOT named after a state.
However, normally when we ditch the conventions, we go with something that's a good idea. Lots of stupid people getting ships named after them these days.
Belushi TD
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:00 am
by Lordroel
Here comes the McClung-class of medium landing ships:
Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro announced USS McClung (LSM 1) as the name for the first ship in the new McClung-class of medium landing ships.
Re: US Navy News
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:20 pm
by OSCSSW
Poohbah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:33 am
kdahm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:54 am
Looks like it's an effort to get a carrier named after Clinton, with a bone thrown to the R's for the second Bush. Fairly stupid, especially in the waning days of the Biden Presidency.
Since the Biden Administration was perfectly happy to change names of ships in service, how hard do you think it would be for the Trump Administration to change names of ships that haven't even be laid down? Asking for friend.
Also, having a ship named after Pres. Clinton being laid down is problematic on the face of it.
Especially one that has a Hummer det aboard...
