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Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:15 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Yup, logistics.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:24 pm
by James1978
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:08 pm
James1978 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:59 pm
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 2:30 am
No, there are no mixed battalions in peacetime. Panzer battalions have 44 Leopard 2s, Panzergrenadier battalions have 44 Marder 2s.
Any particular reason the mixed battalions went away in TLWverse? Every @1989 ORBAT I've seen has them.
Probably for the same reasons we don’t have many mixed battalions in other armies in peacetime - savings on the logistical, maintenance and training sides.
Maybe not currently, but a number of NATO armies were doing it during the 1980s.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:27 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
James1978 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:24 pm
Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:08 pm
James1978 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:59 pm
Any particular reason the mixed battalions went away in TLWverse? Every @1989 ORBAT I've seen has them.
Probably for the same reasons we don’t have many mixed battalions in other armies in peacetime - savings on the logistical, maintenance and training sides.
Maybe not currently, but a number of NATO armies were doing it during the 1980s.
And it’s not unreasonable they would have gone back to pure battalions to save money, even if it makes combat integration more difficult.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:30 pm
by Jotun
James1978 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:56 pm
Jotun, are you going to draft some FRG TOEs for us? Heersstruktur 6?
Related question for Jotun, how would FRG demographics impact TLW 2005 force structure as compared to @1989?
There are enough crises around the TLW world that there are going to be quite a lot of immigrants who can he drafted as soon as they are citizens.
I think that‘s enough handwavium
Seriously, the topic is too complex to deal with in a few posts.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:47 pm
by Bernard Woolley
This?
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:01 pm
by Jotun
Nope. Citizenship means service.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:03 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:57 pm
by Eaglenine2
Wasn't there a Infantry man assigned to a Cuirassiers regiment granted that a French Armored Squadron has access to protection platoon mounted in VAB.
French mechanized infantry formation of 1989 had access to a armored company.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:58 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
Jotun wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:01 pm
Nope. Citizenship means service.
¿Por qué no los dos?
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:02 pm
by James1978
Eaglenine2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:57 pm
Wasn't there a Infantry man assigned to a Cuirassiers regiment granted that a French Armored Squadron has access to protection platoon mounted in VAB.
French mechanized infantry formation of 1989 had access to a armored company.
Well, that's the French Army . . .
But yes, French armored battalions have three tank and one mech infantry company. Mech infantry battalions are three mech infantry and one tank company.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:41 am
by Bernard Woolley
The French just like being French.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:33 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Have added the TerritorialHeer and CINCENT Reserve.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:36 pm
by Jotun
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:33 pm
Have added the
TerritorialHeer and CINCENT Reserve.
You chose the Marder 2 in its 50mm gun configuration as the Jaguar 2 replacement? Interesting, I like it. Do the pure AT Marders have an additional missile load instead of the squad of Panzergrenadiers in the back?
How many Karakal vehicles are in service?
Oh, and did you get my single comment on the Territorial Commands‘ role as a corps HQ?
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:56 pm
by Eaglenine2
Question what is the war time mission of Centre d'entraînement commando?
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:43 am
by Bernard Woolley
Jotun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:36 pm
You chose the Marder 2 in its 50mm gun configuration as the Jaguar 2 replacement? Interesting, I like it. Do the pure AT Marders have an additional missile load instead of the squad of Panzergrenadiers in the back?
How many Karakal vehicles are in service?
Was just something that came to me. Use the 50mm version and add TOW-2 from surplus Jaguar 2s. In the long-term, TOW would be replaced by Spike-ER. Yes, they would have additional missiles in the back.
Haven’t really thought about the Karakal.
Jotun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:36 pm Oh, and did you get my single comment on the Territorial Commands‘ role as a corps HQ?
I did. Good suggestion.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:54 pm
by Jotun
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:43 am
Jotun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:36 pm
You chose the Marder 2 in its 50mm gun configuration as the Jaguar 2 replacement? Interesting, I like it. Do the pure AT Marders have an additional missile load instead of the squad of Panzergrenadiers in the back?
How many Karakal vehicles are in service?
Was just something that came to me. Use the 50mm version and add TOW-2 from surplus Jaguar 2s. In the long-term, TOW would be replaced by Spike-ER. Yes, they would have additional missiles in the back.
Haven’t really thought about the Karakal.
Jotun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:36 pm Oh, and did you get my single comment on the Territorial Commands‘ role as a corps HQ?
I did. Good suggestion.
Regarding the Karakal, maybe a few companies' worth in the AA regiments of the first-line divisions? Like, one or two max per regiment? AFAIR, we worked out that Karakal was in the process of being introduced…
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:20 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Would make sense.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:14 am
by Matt Wiser
Where's 4th ID? Shouldn't they be part of V Corps?
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:17 am
by Bernard Woolley
EDIT: Fixed.
Re: Order of Battle Allied Forces Central Region (ground)
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 12:28 am
by Jotun
Another thing that (finally) got my attention:
Frontnachrichtenkompanie is not a Front News Company but rather a Front Intelligence Company (HUMINT). Their job was to gain fresh intelligence from new POWs, especially from vital branches of the WP armies and of course officers, the higher ranking the better. They were hunting for information about dislocation of troops, the logistics situation, morale etc.
Thr means of gathering intelligence were solely by interviewing and applied communication psychology.
"Nachrichten" has two meanings. One is simply "news“, the other is "intelligence". The German word for intelligence service is "Nachrichtendienst", for example, as best evidenced by the long title of the BND, Bundesnachrichtendienst.