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Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:57 am
by Rocket J Squrriel
clancyphile wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:57 pm
Matt Wiser wrote: Fri Dec 27, 2024 3:52 am Looks like the biggest day in the air over the Central Front since D-Day. Either there's going to be a Turkey Shoot or there's something bad coming....taking out AWACS and J-STARS is a real possibility.
What's to say both can't happen? The Soviets get the AWACS and JSTARS, but the victory cost them large chunks of their top-line (Flanker/Fulcrum/etc.) assets.
What if they peeled off 10-20 MiG-31s with their R-33s from PVO? Have the other fighters blow open holes and each -31 fire 4 long range missiles at AWACS, JSTARS, Compass Calls, tankers.

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:19 pm
by Bernard Woolley
The R-37 (AA-13 Axehead) can be carried on the Su-35 'Flanker-E' of the VVS.

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:32 pm
by Jotun
Hm. Looks like we need SOMETHING to cause "The Pause" :mrgreen:

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:25 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Shhhhhh!

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:27 pm
by MFOM
Wasn't there also an anti AWAC air to air version of the AS-17 developed at one time

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:48 pm
by Bernard Woolley
From Wiki (make of it what you will :D ):
An active/passive air-to-air version for use against slow-moving support aircraft, a so-called "AWACS killer", was announced at the 1992 Moscow air show with 200 km (110 nmi; 120 mi) range.[6] That would be less than the 300–400 kilometres (160–220 nmi; 190–250 mi) promised by the Vympel R-37 (AA-13 'Arrow') and Novator R-172 missiles, but a Kh-31 derivative could be carried by a wider range of aircraft. However this may have been mere propaganda; in 2004 the Tactical Missiles Corporation "emphatically denied" that it had ever worked on an air-to-air version of the Kh-31.[28] In 2005 rumours emerged of a Russian "AWACS-killer missile" based on the Kh-31A anti-shipping model, and of the Chinese adapting the YJ-91, derived from the Kh-31P, for the same purpose.[7] In 2017, a representative of the Mikoyan company claimed that an air-to-air variant of the Kh-31 was in development, intended to equip the MiG-35,[29] but this is not confirmed.

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:32 pm
by MFOM
Schrodinger's missle then

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:46 am
by drmarkbailey
Bernard Woolley wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:48 pm From Wiki (make of it what you will :D ):
An active/passive air-to-air version for use against slow-moving support aircraft, a so-called "AWACS killer", was announced at the 1992 Moscow air show with 200 km (110 nmi; 120 mi) range.[6] That would be less than the 300–400 kilometres (160–220 nmi; 190–250 mi) promised by the Vympel R-37 (AA-13 'Arrow') and Novator R-172 missiles, but a Kh-31 derivative could be carried by a wider range of aircraft. However this may have been mere propaganda; in 2004 the Tactical Missiles Corporation "emphatically denied" that it had ever worked on an air-to-air version of the Kh-31.[28] In 2005 rumours emerged of a Russian "AWACS-killer missile" based on the Kh-31A anti-shipping model, and of the Chinese adapting the YJ-91, derived from the Kh-31P, for the same purpose.[7] In 2017, a representative of the Mikoyan company claimed that an air-to-air variant of the Kh-31 was in development, intended to equip the MiG-35,[29] but this is not confirmed.
Such systems exist.

I am unsure of their operational existence in TLW in 2005 - but the miltech slowdown (except in the PRC) from the 'peace dividend' era from 1990 was such that it certainly cannot be ruled out!

Cheers: Mark

Re: The Last War: Chapter 378.

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:09 am
by Rocket J Squrriel
Sounds like the oncoming air battle is going to be interesting. Very, very interesting. https://youtu.be/PNuPajn_ezg?feature=shared