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Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:30 pm
by Micael
mac1812 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:14 pm
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:40 pm And Mac'n'Cheese instead of the coleslaw on the plate.

Don't worry, it's an easy mistake for a high legislative body to make. :roll:
True, but coleslaw is more than acceptable.
It’s funny with Coleslaw, it’s one of those things that I seem to either love or hate depending on how it’s been made. Made right I think it’s brilliant to go with a steak.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:26 pm
by kdahm
mac1812 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:14 pm
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:40 pm And Mac'n'Cheese instead of the coleslaw on the plate.

Don't worry, it's an easy mistake for a high legislative body to make. :roll:
True, but coleslaw is more than acceptable.
Yes, coleslaw is actually a better choice. It should be either fries or mac and cheese, since they are more substitutes for each other.

I was pointing out that the picture didn't match the description.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:29 pm
by Micael
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:26 pm
mac1812 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:14 pm
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:40 pm And Mac'n'Cheese instead of the coleslaw on the plate.

Don't worry, it's an easy mistake for a high legislative body to make. :roll:
True, but coleslaw is more than acceptable.
Yes, coleslaw is actually a better choice. It should be either fries or mac and cheese, since they are more substitutes for each other.

I was pointing out that the picture didn't match the description.
The original poster clarified later that the mac and cheese was offered as a separate dish, the vegetarian option to the burger.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:30 pm
by mac1812
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:26 pm
mac1812 wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:14 pm
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:40 pm And Mac'n'Cheese instead of the coleslaw on the plate.

Don't worry, it's an easy mistake for a high legislative body to make. :roll:
True, but coleslaw is more than acceptable.
Yes, coleslaw is actually a better choice. It should be either fries or mac and cheese, since they are more substitutes for each other.

I was pointing out that the picture didn't match the description.
You are correct, but you have to make allowances for foreigners. :D

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:12 pm
by Calder
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:03 am
kdahm wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:20 am Unfortunately, the following meme is now outdated:
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I saw a few with King Charles on it, they didn't work nearly as well.
Of course, they don't.

In one picture they have an old queen trying to look tough.

Compared to the majestic scowl of a seasoned formidable monarch in the older picture. :lol: :lol:

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm
by jemhouston
Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:31 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.
Or Marilyn, or pretty much any other significant figure of adoration from 1930, on.

Whereas the current monarch is quite grateful we have taken an irritant off his hands, until he has to send 007 to rescue his grandchildren.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm
by Calder
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.
Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.

As for the currently monarch.... He seemed to be born into the wrong family. He just doesn't seem up to the weight of the office.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:59 pm
by Johnnie Lyle
Calder wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.
Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.

As for the currently monarch.... He seemed to be born into the wrong family. He just doesn't seem up to the weight of the office.
King Charles is in much the same position as King Edward VII - he can’t really do anything as the Heir, especially as the monarchy is modernizing. He can’t be risked doing something dangerous the way his siblings, younger child and nieces and nephews can. He can’t weigh in on major affairs of state, because those are political, and the Heir doing or misstepping is consequential in a way that someone further down in the order of succession isn’t. Nor can he go out and get a job, enter business overtly or make major contributions in fields of learning.

As a result, he’s pretty much stuck with small items in the shadows. Charitable works, raising his family and discreetly managing his lands (which he has done rather well at, btw).

Conversely, he has clearly learned from his first failed marriage and is managing his domestic affairs - especially a rebellious second son in his own bad marriage - quite adroitly.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:50 am
by DaveAAA
Calder wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.
And her Dad was not only at Jutland, but joined the brand new RAF as a pilot when learning to fly was more dangerous than flying combat. of course, as the Spare, he was allowed to risk being killed.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:56 am
by jemhouston
DaveAAA wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:50 am
Calder wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.
And her Dad was not only at Jutland, but joined the brand new RAF as a pilot when learning to fly was more dangerous than flying combat. of course, as the Spare, he was allowed to risk being killed.
His Brother was at the Falklands and both sons saw combat in the sandbox.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:39 am
by kdahm
Calder wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.
Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.

As for the currently monarch.... He seemed to be born into the wrong family. He just doesn't seem up to the weight of the office.
I'd agree with comparing him to Edward VII. Too long as the heir just waiting around for his mother to pass on, not having substantive duties that no one else could have taken on except begetting his own heir, and excluded from high level decision making. Edward was never appointed a high position like a viceroy, Charles was after such positions lost much of their importance. Another comparison point is that Alice Keppel, one of Edward's mistresses, is Camilla's great-grandmother.

Another comparison would be the sons of George III, especially William IV. While George IV was regent for 9 years and ruled for ten, he didn't have a male heir and was a caretaker. William IV was more complicated, had issue with several mistresses, but none surviving with his late married wife. Both ascended to the throne very late and were caretakers rather than being influential.

Charles will most likely be a short-reigning monarch. Other than the honor of being King, it's a high stress position that will age him more rapidly and doesn't benefit him greatly. I'd expect he'll either pass on or abdicate within five years.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:44 pm
by Belushi TD
Ehh... I'll give him 10. Odds are that it will be somewhere between 5 and 10, barring some kind of catastrophe.

I concur with the analysis of Charles.

My personal opinion is that he was left too long on the shelf, not for any bad reason, but just because his mother was one hell of a woman and monarch. As previously stated, he's not going to be around long enough to really make his mark on the office. And, perhaps more importantly, he has to live up to memory of the longest reigning and most respected monarchs his country has ever seen. There's some large shoes to fill, and he has to have spent a LOT of his adult life wondering if he has the foot size to fill them.

Belushi TD

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:30 am
by Johnnie Lyle
kdahm wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:39 am
Calder wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:35 pm
jemhouston wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:21 pm Calder, very good.

It also helps when you remember the seasoned formidable monarch could also pull out "When I had lunch with Winston" card.
Personally, what does it for me is she actually served in WWII. (As a mechanic but still, she served in the armed forces in wartime.) I have a great deal of respect for that tough old bird.

As for the currently monarch.... He seemed to be born into the wrong family. He just doesn't seem up to the weight of the office.
I'd agree with comparing him to Edward VII. Too long as the heir just waiting around for his mother to pass on, not having substantive duties that no one else could have taken on except begetting his own heir, and excluded from high level decision making. Edward was never appointed a high position like a viceroy, Charles was after such positions lost much of their importance. Another comparison point is that Alice Keppel, one of Edward's mistresses, is Camilla's great-grandmother.

Another comparison would be the sons of George III, especially William IV. While George IV was regent for 9 years and ruled for ten, he didn't have a male heir and was a caretaker. William IV was more complicated, had issue with several mistresses, but none surviving with his late married wife. Both ascended to the throne very late and were caretakers rather than being influential.

Charles will most likely be a short-reigning monarch. Other than the honor of being King, it's a high stress position that will age him more rapidly and doesn't benefit him greatly. I'd expect he'll either pass on or abdicate within five years.
He won’t abdicate, for the same reason his mother didn’t. Even if Uncle Edward hadn’t screwed that up, neither Her Majesty nor His Majesty are skipping out and duping the mess on their son just to make their own lives more comfortable.

While short lived, King Edward VII turned out to be a rather good king, btw.

Re: Happy 4th

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:11 am
by 1Big Rich
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