History, Politics And Current Affairs

Lordroel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:11 pm

James1978 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:20 pm

Lordroel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:30 pm A that makes sense, otherwise Bernard was behind a day, which is not bad, we could have claim it is a Leap day after almost 20 years of World War III.

Yea. If memory serves, the early chapters went right to D+X, forgetting that day one was D Day, day two was D+1, etc.

So what are M-Day then in the index, Mobilization Day.

For NATO, yes.

Does anybody have a link to the Waybackmachine Yahoo Group, trying to find the Danish orbat, Netherlands orbat that where posted there.

Lordroel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:40 am Does anybody have a link to the Waybackmachine Yahoo Group, trying to find the Danish orbat, Netherlands orbat that where posted there.

Do you mean the navy ones? I'm pretty sure those are the only ones that were ever on the Yahoo! group.
Bernard and I both have the navy ones. But they have to be reformatted for message board posting.

I have the air force ones for both.

The Netherlands Army isn't a stand alone as such, but you can fine it in the NORTHAG ORBAT.

Bernard is letting me update the Danish pre-war ORBATS, so consider those not ready.

James1978 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:23 pm
Bernard is letting me update the Danish pre-war ORBATS, so consider those not ready.

A okay, i mange to download the Yahoo Group file using the Waybackmachine, now i need to figure out how to open it.

The file can be found here: https://archive.org/details/yahoo-group ... 46Z-a655a0

Lordroel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:43 pm

James1978 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:23 pm
Bernard is letting me update the Danish pre-war ORBATS, so consider those not ready.

A okay, i mange to download the Yahoo Group file using the Waybackmachine, now i need to figure out how to open it.

The file can be found here: https://archive.org/details/yahoo-group ... 46Z-a655a0

What are you actually looking for?

James1978 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:01 pm
What are you actually looking for?

Well there is one for a torrent and one for a CDX file, both contain all the post made in the Yahoo Group, neither i can open.

Lordroel wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:16 pm

James1978 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:01 pm
What are you actually looking for?

Well there is one for a torrent and one for a CDX file, both contain all the post made in the Yahoo Group, neither i can open.

Download the .warc.gz file
Go to ReplayWeb, load the .warc.gz file.

You can see the messages, sort of.

Is there is specific factfile/orbat you're hunting for, or just the discussion in general?

James1978 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:26 pm
Is there is specific factfile/orbat you're hunting for, or just the discussion in general?

See if there is anything if interest there.

Question that's been stewing in my mind the last few days. It may go somewhere.

Once NATO declared a mobilization, they had eight days to get ready before the shooting started. How long would it take to wrangle merchant ships and start getting them where they needed to be? Specifically RO-ROs? I'm thinking more about the non-US ships.

Would the RFA's Point-class RO-ROs initially be tied up getting UK 2 Corps and UK Mobile Force to the Continent? Or would smaller ferries handle that job and the Points would set of for North America?

Thoughts?

Multi part question re. the FRG Army.

1) In @, just what did the old Security Battalions assigned to the Corps Artillery Commands, and in general really, do? And how did they differ from Military Police?

2) I ask #1 above, because I recently learned about the Begleitbatterie (Escort Battery) within divisional artillery regiments or as part of Lance missile battalions.

3) What was the division of responsibility between the two?

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Special Weapons Escort Companies / Escort Batteries
I've found mentions of Special Weapons Escort Companies (Sonderwaffenbegleitkompanien), but can find that term nowhere in the Dragoner ORBAT. What I have found are "Escort Batteries" (Begleitbatterie) within divisional artillery regiments or as part of Lance missile battalions. These were distinct from the Security Battalions or Special Weapons Supply Battalions. They appear to have been active duty units. They may have been called “batteries”, but appear to have been small infantry battalions in practice.

I know it's Wiki, but the KSK article makes it sound like while perhaps not "elite", or perhaps they were, they were at a minimum specialist infantry.

So when the tactical nukes go away after TLWverse 1997, what happens to these troops? Are they just absorbed into the MP and infantry because of demographics? Do some of them stick around to escort US chemical weapons? Or might they be re-purposed?

The reason I ask about re-purposing, is that in researching the South Korea ORBAT, I discovered that a lot of their "special forces" are more dedicated SOF Hunters. And I'm pretty sure that's the role of the Dutch commando battalion. Would the Heer see value in specialist counter-SOF/LRRP units - Kommandojäger?

The Divisional Security Battalion was to provide internal security for the division made up of recalled reservist of any MOS. So I guess Begleitbatterie does the same for the Divisional Artillery?

Is KSK a thing in TLW?

Eaglenine2 wrote: ↑Sat May 31, 2025 9:55 pm The Divisional Security Battalion was to provide internal security for the division made up of recalled reservist of any MOS. So I guess Begleitbatterie does the same for the Divisional Artillery?

I think there was some overlap, but the Begleitbatterie troops sounded like active duty troops.

Digging around, it sounds like they were the outer ring of security at US nuke storage sites, then provided the bodyguard when warheads went into the field. If that's the case, it makes me curious what the Security Battalions or Special Weapons Supply Battalions were doing - because some sources make it sound like those units handled warhead security. And I've hit a wall with what I can find using web translation.

Is KSK a thing in TLW?

Yes, but with a different name - Kommando Spezialoperationen (KSO), IIRC. Jotun?

The Corps artillery level security battalions were earmarked to guard and provide security for the (defunct in TLW) Lance tactical nuclear missiles.

Special Weapons Escort batteries (companies) did just what it says on the tin, escort the nukes to the Lance units in the field. The troops were trained to a significantly higher standard than normal infantry.

The nukes in Büchel are guarded by Luftwaffensicherungsstaffel "S" (Air Force Security Squadron "S") in the outer perimeter. The personnel were (and still are) regular troops and considered a cut above the other Luftwaffe security units.

Since tacnukes are dead as a dodo in TLW, I proposed the escort batteries and corps level arrtillery security battallions to be transformed into another tube or rocket artillery battalion at Korps level. It gives the artillery a bit more oomph, and it actually saves up personnel slots.

The divisional security battalions (all ending in "8" preceded by the division‘s number) provide security for the divisional HQ.

As for the KSK, it is called KSO in TLW, thanks to the oldest SOF unit in the Bundeswehr, the Kampfschwimmerkompanie (KSK).
Otherwise, the KSO is just as it is in @, an SOF unit modeled after THEM and Delta/CAG, with a bit more focus on direct action than in @.

For completeness' sake, the three Korps have one LRRP company each, the Fernspähkompanien 100, 200 and 300.