"ST: Starfleet Academy"....

[Nathan45]

If any on you gave up on this early, episode 9 is actually pretty good if you want to try it again. (Although the writers really don't seem to have a sense of just how big the federation is)

[jemhouston]

If any on you gave up on this early, episode 9 is actually pretty good if you want to try it again. (Although the writers really don't seem to have a sense of just how big the federation is)

I'm not watching it, but isn't it set post burn so isn't the Federation smaller?

[Nathan45]

Yes, and yes, but i still didn't feel that particular plot point was plausible.

[Johnnie Lyle]

Welp, the official cancellation notice has gone out.

I think this thread is a good example why it’s hard to argue with that decision. We’ve got a pretty good group of Trekkies here, of a wide variety of views and interests, and some pretty well thought out discussions of the Trek verse. Some of us have even dabbled in the universe ourselves (cough Mike, Pooh and Micael). So we should be much easier to engage than say, the general public audience.

Academy is really only able to engage some of us, which says a lot. Nor does said engagement/lack thereof correlate well with political views, or even views of New (or should we say Newer) Trek. There’s a wide diversity of opinion on most New(er) Trek, but it’s not like that’s a monolith either - some of us love Disco but hate Picard, or vice versa. While SNW and Lower Decks have a strong fandom here, it’s not universal. So it’s reasonable to say it’s not a Newer Trek failing compared to the rosy-eyed glasses of the TNG or even TOS of our youth (though Season 3 of TNG is pretty much peak Trek). Nor is it the never ending complaints about “woke,” since Trek has been at the bleeding edge of social consciousness since the get go (though we can probably reasonably argue that older Trek was better at presenting even really radical stuff as extremely normal in the way it would be thirty years after airing).

I think it goes back to a combo of Pooh and Jotun’s comments: the student experience is a very limited creative well to mine, and as a result you’re creating something that is inherently niche, even if well done. Two seasons is pretty good for niche though.

[Bernard Woolley]

Can’t help but think that if social media had existed when TNG, DS9 and VOY first came out they wouldn’t have lasted past season 2 either. That said, ST:A was a bit hit and miss. Depending on which site you’re on, it was either too niche (I don’t disagree), or it wasn’t nice enough and ignored the established fandom. I really don’t get the hate for ST:A, but there does seem to be a faction of Trekkies who hate anything new. It does also look like the show was review bombed.

People who called it ‘woke’ as a derogatory term are, IMVHO, the sort of people who call anything they don’t like ‘woke’. It not, after all, like ST:A had episodes banned! The cope amongst some people about the relationship between two male characters was quite amusing. Apparently it’s not gay if you’re different species!

These days a new series has to hit the ground running and be a hit in its first series/season. I can think of a few classic TV series that would not have gotten a series 2 if they had been made today.

[jemhouston]

While it was done by mail, the third season of St:TOS was due to a fan campaign writing into network.

[Bernard Woolley]

I think they’d be ignored these days. There was a strong online campaign to save Lower Decks & it came to nothing.

[MikeKozlowski]

I think they’d be ignored these days. There was a strong online campaign to save Lower Decks & it came to nothing.

I've seen a couple stories that stated there was never any chance of Lower Decks getting another season, because The Powers That Be were highly annoyed that it had gotten consistently better reviews and numbers than Disco and SNW.

Mike

[Nathan45]

While I didn't like SA, I have to admit that it would be difficult for any recent ST IP to succeed in todays world. And honestly I thought some of the later episodes were better, (I rate on a budget adjusted level) It would not shock me if a couple of season 2 episodes are actually really good, nor would it shock me if they were worse then season 1. Its a bit sobering to me that the only season 1 episodes I've really liked in any recent Star Trek were DS9 (Duet in particular).

(Yes, I know I'm aging myself referring to DS9 as recent.)