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Nightwatch2 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:35 pm
Poohbah wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:59 am They may not have the resources needed to support them.

We should be continuously building DDGs in sufficient quantity that we can allow them to age out and scrap them.
And depends hugely on their material condition, where they are on the maintenance cycle, what upgrades each has and has not had, etc.

I for one am NOT ever in favor of getting rid of useful stuff that still has life left, nor am I in favor of keeping things that are worn out or don’t have the new stuff to enable it to survive and be useful on the modern battlefield

It depends, ship by ship, which to keep and which to sell to gullible allies ;)
A lot of them are in bad shape expressly because we no longer have the capability to appropriately maintain them.

In that context, spending buttloads of money on SLEP is a waste, because it just shifts the deferred maintenance to other ships.
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Navy will extend service lives of 3 cruisers following destroyer announcement
By Justin Katz
November 04, 2024

PARIS — The US Navy announced today it is extending the service lives of three Ticonderoga-class cruisers, a decision that adds 10 years of cumulative ship service to the fleet and follows a similar decision last week to extend 12 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

“All three cruisers received extensive hull, mechanical and engineering, as well as combat system upgrades as part of an extended modernization program,” according to a service statement published today. “USS Gettysburg (CG-64) and USS Chosin (CG-65) completed modernization in fiscal year 2023 and fiscal year 2024, respectively. USS Cape St. George (CG-71) is on schedule to complete modernization this fiscal year.”

For years, the Navy has lobbied Congress to allow for certain Ticonderoga-class cruisers — as well as Littoral Combat Ships — to be decommission ahead of schedule, but lawmakers have repeatedly blocked those efforts, largely citing the need for the service to achieve a larger fleet.

Those efforts have followed a large, and problematic, effort to modernize those ships, which is nine years old and counting.

“As a former cruiser sailor, I know the incredible value these highly-capable warships bring to the fleet and I am proud of their many decades of service,” Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said in the statement. “After learning hard lessons from the cruiser modernization program, we are only extending ships that have completed modernization and have the material readiness needed to continue advancing our Navy’s mission.”

The Chosin (CG-65) was also recently part of a Navy demonstration that has been personally lauded by Del Toro for transferring and reloading missile cannisters at sea, a capability the Navy claims will be “transformational” because it removes the need for a ship to pull into port.
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Follow up on the welding issue.
HII: Fewer than 2 Dozen Shipyard Workers Involved in Suspect Welds, Delay in 17-Sub Contract Creates ‘Unpredictability’
By Sam LaGrone
October 31, 2024

Fewer than two dozen shipyard workers are responsible for suspicious welds that were discovered on aircraft carriers and submarines built at HII’s Newport News Shipbuilding, company officials said during an earnings call for the shipbuilder on Thursday.

Company leaders in the earnings call framed the suspicious welds, made on Ford and Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and Columbia and Virginia-class submarines, as the a result of a small subset of workers in the yard.

“This is a process issue. This is a small fraction of some welders in the yard and a small fraction of welds that were impacted,” HII CEO Christopher Kastner said on the earnings call.
“We’re working very closely with the customer to bound the issue and come through the issue, and we think we’ll march through that very smartly.”

The suspicious welds have been found aboard Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN-73), the Virginia-class attack submarines USS Hyman G. Rickover (SSN-795) and USS New Jersey (SSN-796) and up to 23 other ships built at the Virginia shipyard.

“An initial assessment at Newport News Shipbuilding determined that fewer than two dozen welders did not consistently follow procedures in their weld process,” said HII’s chief financial officer Thomas Stiehle.
“We continue to work alongside with the Navy through a comprehensive investigation and analysis to determine the extent of any financial impact.”

The Navy and the shipyard are continuing to assess the extent of the weld problems. A Navy official told USNI News that tens of thousands of welds needed to be inspected but did not say how many need to be repaired or reworked.

Naval Sea Systems Command officials have been on Capitol Hill this week briefing legislators on the extent of the issue, two defense officials confirmed to USNI News. Members of Congress have asked the Navy for updates on the severity of the issue, when the service became aware of the problem and the scope of an ongoing Department of Justice investigation into the work.

In a Thursday statement, a service spokesperson told USNI News, “the Navy is continuing to oversee and independently validate HII-NNS’s initial weld assessments, which are approximately 90 percent complete. To date, five ships have been cleared safe for full operation.

Later in the call, company officials lowered earnings projections for the year due to the delay in the Navy awarding contracts for 17 submarines that were supposed to be issued earlier this year.

Newport News Shipbuilding builds the bows and sterns of both the Virginia and Columbia-class submarines in a teaming arrangement with prime contractor General Dynamics Electric Boat.

The 17-boat contract includes multi-year deals for 10 Block VI Virginia-class attack submarines and five Build II Columbia-class boomers, in addition to two Block V boats that Congress appropriated $9.34 billion for as part of the Fiscal Year 2024 defense spending bill. However, during the negotiations for the Block V boats – the future Baltimore (SSN-812) and Atlanta (SSN-813) – the Navy realized the price tag would increase by 20 percent mostly due to increased workforce costs.

To make up for the cost difference the Navy developed a payment scheme called the Shipbuilder Accountability and Workforce Support plan, also known as SAWS, that would move workforce money from existing submarine contracts that have been awarded, but have not started construction to create a pool of money to pay for labor cost increases and infrastructure improvements.

“[SAWS] was a Navy initiative that we supported. I still believe it’s the smartest, best way to get at this issue because it unlocks such investment in the workforce, the infrastructure and technology,” Kastner said.
“It was a very good idea that we think is still under review and potentially could be put under contract, although we don’t forecast that happening over the balance of this year.”

Kastner said during the call that balancing the submarine workload was key to the ongoing contract negotiations.

“When you think about the 17 submarines, it’s really a reset of the portfolio. In Newport News, this is not business as usual. You can’t simply just put that much work into a facility and expect it to be executed –especially in this environment that we’re operating in – relative to labor and the supply chain and the capacity in the industrial base,” he said during the call.
“It does none of us any good to agree to cost or schedules on these submarines that are so urgently needed that we can’t achieve.”

Earlier this week, a bipartisan group in the Senate wrote to Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro asking for the status of the SAWS plan.

“The Navy’s hesitance to both notify Congress earlier and take a definitive stance is concerning … We, therefore, urge more consistent communication with Congress and with [White House Office of Management and Budget] so that all parties clearly understand the Navy’s position on SAWS and overall plans to get our nation’s submarine production on track,” reads the letter to Del Toro.
“It is critical that our submarine programs be on schedule and on budget. The news that the Navy is projected to be an astonishing $17 billion short in the Virginia-class program alone in the next six years is especially distressing.”

In addition to the contract funding, Kastner also said HII is struggling with a green labor force and is shifting to hire more experienced labor to prevent the shipbuilder from having to redo work done by less experienced employees.

“We’re going to focus on more experienced labor, because we’re just out of alignment, or out of balance from an experience level right now, which leads to rework, which leads to inefficiency, and it’s not good for anyone,” he said.
“We just encountered rework on systems that we didn’t expect and that impacts schedule.”
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US Navy: Future Constellation-class frigate FFG 69 to be named USS Joy Bright Hancock: https://www.navaltoday.com/2024/12/26/u ... t-hancock/

Secretary Del Toro made the announcement at the 11th Women, Peace and Security Symposium, hosted by the US Naval War College in Newport on December 16.

The naming selection honors Captain Joy Bright Hancock (1898–1986). Born in New Jersey, Captain Hancock, who was instrumental in the passage of the Women’s Armed Service Integration Act of 1948, was one of eight women to be sworn into the regular navy and was subsequently appointed Assistant Chief of Naval Personnel for Women.

She retired from active duty in June 1953. During her long career, Captain Hancock received commendations for her service to the Bureau of Naval Aeronautics and the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations (Air) during WWII, as well as for her assistance in expanding opportunities for women in the US Navy.

The future USS Joy Bright Hancock will be the tenth of the new Constellation-class frigates. The other ships in the class are USS Constellation (FFG 62), USS Congress (FFG 63), USS Chesapeake (FFG 64), USS Lafayette (FFG 65), and USS Hamilton (FFG 66).
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There goes the American tendency to mess up any sense of symmetry to ship naming conventions, again.
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Simon Darkshade wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:43 am There goes the American tendency to mess up any sense of symmetry to ship naming conventions, again.
Was thinking the same, so many legacy names they could have picked.
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It’s reverting to the DE lineage, but yes, so many other ships could have been commemorated.

Especially when there’s quite a few DDGs that need naming or renaming that would honor her.
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Given that DDGs are the best ship for all manner of names of naval personnel, this smacks of little short of political vandalism.

On account of the late Captain Hancock being a woman, she gets a ship named after her for variously editing the Bureau of Aeronautics’ newsletter, being involved with public affairs, then serving as a WAVES rep in the Bureau and the staff of the DCNO (Air). That is essentially it. No heroism, no real achievement, just being an efficient and effective desk jockey with the right chromosomes.

It’s just silly.
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While names like Laffey and England languish,,,
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Or Samuel B. Roberts and Norman Edsall.

Edsall was the namesake of USS Edsall (DD-219). The 'dancing mouse' that made the Japanese work for that kill.
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....Just announced: SecNav has named the next DDG off the line Intrepid. Not what I was expecting, but it's good .

Mike
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It isn’t good; it’s all over the place like a madwoman’s breakfast. What the heck is their reasoning for this mismatch?

There hasn’t been a single Arleigh Burke named out of sync yet, but now, it just has to be muddled.
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Maybe he got his memos swapped?
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.... Wondering if they caught quiet hell about Joy Hancock.

Mike
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Simon Darkshade wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:55 pm It isn’t good; it’s all over the place like a madwoman’s breakfast. What the heck is their reasoning for this mismatch?

There hasn’t been a single Arleigh Burke named out of sync yet, but now, it just has to be muddled.
They're in a rush to get everything they can named before January 21. That leads to some shortcuts.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:32 pm .... Wondering if they caught quiet hell about Joy Hancock.

Mike
The nicknames will be legendary.
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My old man deserves a FFG/DDG more than Hancock does. Combat veteran, then was a key player in developing, fielding, and using NTDS.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:31 pm ....Just announced: SecNav has named the next DDG off the line Intrepid. Not what I was expecting, but it's good .

Mike
Should have been used for a CVN.
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CVN-82 and CVN-83

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CVN-82 and CVN-83 Named
USS William J. Clinton (CVN-82) and USS George W. Bush (CVN-83).

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No, Hell No.


I'm talking about both names.
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