'The Dancing Mouse' USS Edsall (DD-219) found

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'The Dancing Mouse' USS Edsall (DD-219) found

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Pravda on the Potomac (aka The Washington Post) does a good write up about the USS Edsall. The 4 stack destroyer that took on 2 battleships and 2 cursers of the Japanese navy in the early days of the Pacific War. They fired over a 1000 round of various calibers and barely scratched her. It took dive bombers to finish her off. Some survivors might have been picked up but they disappeared into captivity and didn't come home.

The Japanese considered the battle a fiasco and for how well the captain conned her Edsall earned the nickname 'The Dancing Mouse' from its attackers.

https://wapo.st/3YOIlij
Navy confirms finding sunken U.S. warship known as ‘the dancing mouse’
In March 1942, the valiant USS Edsall fought alone against Japanese ships that had attacked Pearl Harbor three months before.

The crew of the USS Edsall is seen in 1940. The American destroyer was sunk by the Japanese navy in 1942. (Don Kehn Jr./U.S. Navy)

By Michael E. Ruane
November 11, 2024 at 1:20 p.m. EST
On March 1, 1942, three months after Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor, the aged American destroyer USS Edsall was steaming alone in the Indian Ocean south of Java, loaded with 153 sailors and several dozen Army Air Forces pilots and soldiers.

The Edsall was a small ship, only about 300 feet long. It had been damaged in an earlier depth charge accident and was unfit for combat. But it was probably hurrying to the aid of a ship in distress when it blundered into a huge Japanese naval force around 4 p.m.

For more than an hour, the Edsall dodged and swerved as enemy ships fired hundreds of shells. The Edsall fired back, threw up a smokescreen and launched torpedoes. The Japanese later called the Edsall “the dancing mouse.”

Finally, the Japanese sent in dive bombers, and the battered destroyer rolled over and sank as evening fell. A few survivors were picked up and later beheaded in an enemy prison camp, historians found.

On Monday in Australia, when the country observes Remembrance Day, U.S. and Australian officials announced that the wreck of the Edsall has been discovered.

“We will now be able to preserve this important memorial and hope that the families of the heroes who died there will know their loved ones rest in peace,” Caroline Kennedy, the U.S. ambassador to Australia, said in a video statement posted on social media.


An image from a Japanese propaganda film shows the Edsall's final moments in the Indian Ocean. (Naval History and Heritage Command)

The Edsall was launched in 1920. (Naval History and Heritage Command)

A 1939 party for the officers and crew of the Edsall. (U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command)
The wreck was found late last year in 18,000 feet of water south of Australia’s remote Christmas Island, the U.S. Navy said. Australian and U.S. officials worked together to confirm it was the Edsall.

“It is pretty incredible,” said retired U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Samuel J. Cox, head of the Naval History and Heritage Command in Washington. “And because there were no surviving American witnesses, there’s no Medals of Honor, no Navy Crosses, nothing for any of these guys.”

Historian Donald M. Kehn Jr. — whose 2008 book, “A Blue Sea of Blood,” tells the Edsall’s story — called the find “absolutely staggering.”

The wreck was found by the Stoker, an Australian naval support ship, which is normally used for hydrographic surveys, Vice Adm. Mark Hammond, chief of the Royal Australian Navy, said in the video.

A spokeswoman for the Australian navy would not say what the Stoker was doing when the Edsall was found, citing “operational security sensitivities.”

The Australian ship found the wreck in the late summer of 2023 and examined it with underwater robots and sonar, Adm. Cox said. The Australian navy notified Adm. Cox, in May that it had found what it believed to be the Edsall wreck.

Adm. Cox said his underwater archaeology team reviewed the Australian data. “There was another ship, the [USS] Pillsbury, that went down” nearby, he said. “It’s the same class of ship. It would have looked virtually identical.”

But the Pillsbury is thought to have been more heavily damaged than the Edsall, and a few weeks ago, Adm. Cox said, his underwater archaeology experts agreed that the wreck was the Edsall.


A sonar image of the wreck of the Edsall in 18,000 feet of water in the Indian Ocean near Australia’s Christmas Island. (Royal Australian Navy Seapower Centre)
An eerie underwater image provided by the Australian navy shows the ship largely intact sitting upright on the disturbed bottom where it landed.

“The image actually is amazing,” Adm. Cox said in an email Sunday. “The bow is pointing to the right and stern to the left.”

“Going right to left, the first bright spot is the bridge area,” he said. “The next bright area is where the remnants of the four [smoke] stacks are. The dark spot near the stern is the fatal bomb hit.”

“You can also see two of her triple torpedo tube mounts,” which had fallen off, at the top of the image, he said. “When ships sink, there is a tendency for them to roll upside down, causing turrets and torpedo tube mounts to fall out. After the first couple hundred feet, a ship will usually right itself and impact the bottom right side up.”

“You can see by the disturbance on the bottom around the ship that she hit pretty hard,” he added.

The Edsall was built in Philadelphia and launched in 1920. By 1942, it was considered out of date and under gunned. But it was among the ships that the navies of the United States, Britain, Australia and the Netherlands had to use to counter the Japanese onslaught after Pearl Harbor.


A 1930 Naval Academy photo of Lt. Joshua James Nix, commander of the Edsall when it sank. (U.S. Naval Academy Virtual Memorial Hall)

A 1939 Naval Academy photo of Lt. j.g. Morris Davies Gilmore Jr. of Annapolis, who did not survive the sinking. (U.S. Naval Academy Virtual Memorial Hall)
The Edsall’s skipper was Lt. Joshua James Nix, a 33-year-old Naval Academy graduate from Memphis. He had a wife and two children and had been in command only about four months.

“When we asked about him as children, all we would get was, ‘He died in the war,’” Nix’s grandson, Jim Nix, said in a telephone interview Sunday. “Nobody really knew. … It’s bad that I didn’t get to know him. But that’s life.”

Also on board the Edsall was Lt. j.g. Morris Davies Gilmore Jr., 25, of Annapolis, an Academy graduate whose father was a decorated World War I Navy officer.

On board, too, were Fire Controlman Lee Franklin Root of Southeast Washington; Fireman John Abner Tate of Richmond; and Boatswain’s Mate John Clifford Jackson, of Mathews, Virginia.

On March 1, 1942, the Edsall was among the allied ships trying to survive the assault of the powerful Japanese naval force of aircraft carriers, battleships and cruisers that was sweeping into the waters around the island of Java, in what today is Indonesia.

The Japanese force was headed by Vice Adm. Chuichi Nagumo, who had led the Dec. 7, 1941, raid on Pearl Harbor. It included four of the six aircraft carriers that had been part of that attack, Kehn wrote in his book. (All four were later sunk at the Battle of Midway.)

By March 1, the Japanese had already sunk or crippled more than a half-dozen allied vessels and forced other allied ships to retreat, according to a history of the engagement that Adm. Cox wrote.

One of the ships trying to get away was the USS Pecos, an oiler that had hundreds of survivors from other damaged vessels on board. At about 10 a.m., the Pecos was attacked by Japanese airplanes and, before sinking several hours later, sent out a distress call.

The Edsall probably heard the distress call and was probably headed to help when it ran into the Japanese task force, Adm. Cox wrote.

“Nix’s position was hopeless,” he wrote. The Edsall was too slow to escape. Its small guns could not reach the wary enemy vessels or penetrate their armor.

But Nix zigged and zagged, sped up and slowed down. Enemy shells plunged into the water around the Edsall but failed to hit home. A Japanese observer likened the ship to a “Japanese Dancing Mouse,” a popular domesticated pet in Japan known for its eccentric movements, Adm. Cox wrote.

At 4:20 p.m., one frustrated Japanese officer ordered his ships to charge. Nix responded by charging back and firing torpedoes, which narrowly missed an enemy cruiser.

After the Japanese had fired more than 1,000 shells, a furious Nagumo ordered his carrier planes to attack. Nix evaded most of the bombs, but at least one was apparently on target.

The Edsall caught fire, slowed to a halt and began to sink. Nix ordered the ship to be abandoned, but as he did he pointed the front of the vessel toward the enemy. “It’s a maritime version of flipping the bird,” Adm. Cox said.
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Re: 'The Dancing Mouse' USS Edsall (DD-219) found

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Salute....
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...She went down swinging.

There's one more DD out there whose name escapes me right now - she was badly beaten up in the Solomons, and the last anybody saw she was trying to get to Australia alone.

She never made it.

Japanese records suggest that she was sunk about 24 hours after that last sighting, being mistaken for a CL.

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The resolution on that photo is amazing. Is it possible that the two long, sorta rectangular objects to the top of the pic are the torpedo tube mounts?

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Not just possible. They are triple torpedo launchers.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:44 am ...She went down swinging.

There's one more DD out there whose name escapes me right now - she was badly beaten up in the Solomons, and the last anybody saw she was trying to get to Australia alone.

She never made it.

Japanese records suggest that she was sunk about 24 hours after that last sighting, being mistaken for a CL.

Mike
That was JARVIS, lost with all hands on ~August 9th.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:44 am ...She went down swinging.

There's one more DD out there whose name escapes me right now - she was badly beaten up in the Solomons, and the last anybody saw she was trying to get to Australia alone.

She never made it.

Japanese records suggest that she was sunk about 24 hours after that last sighting, being mistaken for a CL.

Mike
That would be USS Jarvis, sunk after the Battle of Savo Island when Fletcher pulled his carriers back and Turner fucked up golden. She was supposed to be escorted but had battle damage, no operable radios...
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Re: 'The Dancing Mouse' USS Edsall (DD-219) found

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It appears that there are two other ghosts out that with USS Edsall: USS Pillsbury (DD-227) and USS Asheville (PG-21). Pillsbury had no survivors and Asheville had one that died in a prison camp.

From wiki:
A few days later Pillsbury was sunk. There are no US logs or battle reports giving the details of the actions in which Pillsbury, Asheville (PG-21) and Edsall (DD-219) were lost and their fates were unknown until Japanese logs were examined after the war. A force of Japanese ships was operating to the south of Java to prevent the escape of Allied ships from the area. The force consisted of four battleships, five cruisers of Cruiser Division 4, the aircraft carriers Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and Hiryū and the destroyers of Destroyer Squadron 4.

Edsall was sunk in the Indian Ocean on 2 March 1942, south of Java. At 18:24 she received a direct hit from the battleship Hiei and at 18:35 another from the cruiser Tone. Edsall was also attacked by nine Aichi D3A dive bombers from Sōryū and eight from Akagi, which hit her with several bombs, leaving her dead in the water by 18:50. She was destroyed by the cruiser Chikuma and sank at 19:00 with 5-8 survivors. The remains of 5 executed sailors from the Edsall were recovered in Indonesia in 1952.

In a night surface action on 2 March 1942 Pillsbury was overtaken by two Japanese cruisers of Cruiser Division 4. She was engaged by Takao and Atago, and at 21:02 sank with the loss of all hands.

Asheville, slowed by engine troubles, was caught at 09:06 on 3 March by the destroyers Arashi and Nowaki and sunk. One crew member was rescued from the water but died in a prisoner of war camp. All three sinkings took place approximately 200 miles east of Christmas Island.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pillsbury_(DD-227)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Asheville_(PG-21)
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